Calculating Work Done for Constant Force Acting on an Object in Space

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work done by a constant force acting on an object moving in space, specifically from the origin to a point defined by coordinates. The force vector and displacement vector are provided, and participants explore the relationship between these vectors in the context of work done.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of work using the dot product of force and displacement vectors. There is an exploration of whether additional steps, such as finding magnitudes or angles, are necessary for the calculation.

Discussion Status

The conversation includes various interpretations of the formulas for work, with some participants expressing confusion about the simplicity of the calculation. Others clarify that both the dot product method and the magnitude-angle method are valid, depending on the information available. There is no explicit consensus, but several participants provide supportive guidance and affirmations.

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Participants note that this problem is part of a take-home test, which may influence their expectations regarding the complexity of the solution.

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1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known

A constant Force= <2,4,1> (in Newtons) moves an object in space from (0,0,0) to (2,4,5) ( distance is measured in meters) Calculate the Work done. 2. Homework Equations

W= || proj of F onto pq|| ||PQ||

W= F• vector PQ 3. The Attempt at a Solution
Well I'm guessing for starters I'd have to make a vector component from (0,0,0) to (2,4,5)
So I know PQ would be =< 2,4,5>

I am stuck on what my next step would be. W= F•d when the force is acting in line of motion with the object. But that is not the case.
 
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yazz912 said:
1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known

A constant Force= <2,4,1> (in Newtons) moves an object in space from (0,0,0) to (2,4,5) ( distance is measured in meters) Calculate the Work done.











2. Homework Equations

W= || proj of F onto pq|| ||PQ||

W= F• vector PQ








3. The Attempt at a Solution
Well I'm guessing for starters I'd have to make a vector component from (0,0,0) to (2,4,5)
So I know PQ would be =< 2,4,5>

I am stuck on what my next step would be. W= F•d when the force is acting in line of motion with the object. But that is not the case.

The way you have written it is correct, whether or not W acts along d (assuming that W and d are both vectors).
 
So if I have two different vectors being displacement and force.
I dot them to calculate work? Would it really be that simple?
 
yazz912 said:
So if I have two different vectors being displacement and force.
I dot them to calculate work? Would it really be that simple?

Yup. That's what your textbook will tell you.
 
Wow. I really assumed i needed to do more "work" to solve it. ;)

Therefore W should = 25 Nm
 
Would I not have to find || PQ|| and ||F|| and then dot?
 
yazz912 said:
Would I not have to find || PQ|| and ||F|| and then dot?

Why would you do that? How would you compute the dot product if you could do that? Would you not need the angle between the two vectors? How would you get that?

I am amazed that you are even asking the question---you are taking something simple and making it hard.
 
I guess I probably over think the problem, considering this is part of my take home test I assume it isn't going to be as easy as it seems..

Reason I asked was bc on all my notes and in the book it shows W= ||F|| ||PQ||

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(just got up :zzz:)

both formulas are correct (and give the same result)

which you use depends on what information you're given

in this case, you're given the coordinates, so it's easier to use b1c1 + b2c2 + b3c3

but if instead you were given the magnitudes and the directions, it would be easier to use ||b|| ||c|| cosθ :smile:
 
  • #11
tiny-tim said:
(just got up :zzz:)
both formulas are correct (and give the same result)
which you use depends on what information you're given
in this case, you're given the coordinates, so it's easier to use b1c1 + b2c2 + b3c3
but if instead you were given the magnitudes and the directions, it would be easier to use ||b|| ||c|| cosθ :smile:
Ohhh ok that answers my question thank you so much tiny-tim! more or so for not making me feel like an idiot for asking that last question lol :)
 

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