Calculation for proper power (in kW)

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The discussion revolves around calculating the proper power (in kW) required for a three-phase 220V/50Hz motor to rotate a shaft with specific parameters. The focus is on determining the motor's power needs based on the shaft's mass, dimensions, desired speed, and transmission ratio, without delving into real-world complications.

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  • One participant requests help with calculating the motor power needed for a shaft with a mass of 1500 kg, a diameter of 0.4 m, and a length of 3 m, aiming for a speed of 600 RPM in 5 seconds.
  • Another participant warns that while the calculation may seem simple, real-world factors such as friction and motor performance at low RPM could complicate the situation, suggesting the need for a professional engineer.
  • A participant provides a rough calculation of the required torque and power, detailing the formulas used for angular acceleration, moment of inertia, and conversion of torque to motor torque, ultimately arriving at a power estimate of 23.6 kW.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the necessity of considering real-world complications in the calculations, with some emphasizing the importance of these factors while others focus solely on the theoretical calculation.

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The discussion does not address potential limitations such as assumptions made in the calculations, the dependence on specific definitions of torque and power, or the implications of the transmission ratio on motor performance.

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Hi all,

I'm new here and not so good in physic.
I need help with calculation for proper power (in kW) of three phase 220V/50Hz motor. This motor must be able to rotate shaft which have mass of 1500 kg, diameter 0.4m, and length 3m. Here is important that it must achieve speed of 600 RPM in 5 sec, and it must be strong enough to "control" shaft that it keep constant speed later.
Motor is not connected directly to the shaft it is connected with transmission belts in 3:1 ratio.
Maybe it is not the best proper ratio so here is welcome any advice.


Thanks for any help in advance,
 
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With the information given, that's a relatively simple calculation if you assume there are no other complications. However if this is a real-world situation, you're talking about a large motor and some serious danger if anything is missed (like friction, low rpm performance of the motor, resistance of anything connected to it).

You need to hire a real, live engineer to work on this problem for you.
 


Thanks for replay,

I just need rough calculation of motor power, without real world problems for now. Can you, or someone else please show how to calculate power for given data above?

Thanks again,
 


Well, ok...

Torque is moment of inertia times angular acceleration.

Your angular acceleration is:
600 rpm / 60 / 5 * 2*3.14 = 12.56 r/s/s
Your moment of inertia is:
I=mr^2/2 = 1500*.2^2/2=30 kg-m^2

So, torque = 30*12.56=376 kg-m^2/s^2
Now using f=ma to convert the units gives 188 n-m (at the shaft. The motor torque will be 188/3=62.7 n-m)

Power is torque times angular speed, so your power is 188*600/ 60*2*3.14= 23613 W or 23.6 kW
 


Big Thanks.
 

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