Calculations for accelerating particles in a Cyclotron

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The discussion revolves around calculations related to the kinetic energy of particles in a cyclotron, specifically focusing on discrepancies in expected values and the implications of electric field strength on particle behavior.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss their calculations for kinetic energy and question the validity of the provided answers. There is an exploration of the relationship between electric field strength and the time it takes for particles to exit the cyclotron.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their calculations and questioning the accuracy of the official answer. Some guidance is suggested regarding the need to show individual thought processes before receiving help.

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Participants note potential confusion regarding the values used in calculations, particularly the unit conversion from millimeters to centimeters, and the rules requiring personal attempts before guidance is provided.

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mv^2/2, f=qB/2pim
For this question part d, KE=mv^2/2=q^2B^2r^2/2m (I rearranged B=mv/qr for v and subbed into mv^2/2). q^2b^2r^2/2m=2F_cyc^2r^2m(pi)^2
But when I subbed the values in I got 16.45MeV but the answer says 165keV instead. I'm not sure what went wrong?

What's a good explanation for part e also?
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sss1 said:
But when I subbed the values in I got 16.45MeV but the answer says 165keV instead. I'm not sure what went wrong?
I got the same answer as you. (Except I rounded mine to an appropriate number of significant figures!)

It looks like the official answer is wrong - probably because whoever did it used r =53mm instead of r=53cm.

sss1 said:
What's a good explanation for part e also?
As you probably know, ther rules here require you to show your own thoughts/attempt before guidance is offered.
 
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Steve4Physics said:
As you probably know, ther rules here require you to show your own thoughts/attempt before guidance is offered
Well if the e field is strong, it’ll only take a few cycles until the particle leaves? Whereas if if the e field is weak, it’ll take a long time to leave the cyclotron, so the KE is the same regardless?
 
sss1 said:
Well if the e field is strong, it’ll only take a few cycles until the particle leaves? Whereas if if the e field is weak, it’ll take a long time to leave the cyclotron, so the KE is the same regardless?
You need to do better than that. What is an expression for the kinetic energy of the particle just before it exits? Is there an ##E## in it?
 
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