Calculus - angle between tangents

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The problem involves finding the angles between the tangents to the functions y=-3e^-x and y=2+e^x at their point of intersection. Participants are exploring the derivatives and slopes of the tangent lines to these functions.

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  • Participants discuss finding the intersection point of the two functions and calculating the derivatives to determine the slopes of the tangents. There is confusion regarding the correct slopes and vector representations.

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Some participants have provided guidance on distinguishing between the two functions and their derivatives. There is ongoing exploration of the slopes and vector forms, with some questioning the validity of the intersection point and the slopes derived from the derivatives.

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One participant notes that the two functions may not intersect, raising questions about the assumptions made in the problem setup.

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Homework Statement



Find the angles between the tangents to y=-3e^-x and y=2+e^x at their poit of intersection

Homework Equations



y=-3e^-x and y=2+e^x

The Attempt at a Solution



i tried to find the point at which they intersect:
y=-3e^-x =2+e^x
where i got
x=ln 1
then i tried to find derivative of both equations:
y'=-3e^-x
y'=e^x
then subsitute the value of x in
and got
y'=-3
y'=1
forming 2 vectors ?
a=(-3,1)
b=(1,1)
then using vector = dot point equation to find the angle between them ..
a*b*cos (theta) = a_x*b_x+a_y+b_y

but i still got the wrong answer
the answe is : 63.43 degrees
 
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rshen5 said:

Homework Statement



Find the angles between the tangents to y=-3e^-x and y=2+e^x at their poit of intersection

Homework Equations



y=-3e^-x and y=2+e^x

The Attempt at a Solution



i tried to find the point at which they intersect:
y=-3e^-x =2+e^x
where i got
x=ln 1
ln 1 = 0
rshen5 said:
then i tried to find derivative of both equations:
y'=-3e^-x
y'=e^x
You should distinguish between the two different y values and y' values. For example, you could name them y1 and y2, and their derivatives y1' and y2'.
rshen5 said:
then subsitute the value of x in
and got
y'=-3
y'=1
Better, y1' = -3 and y2' = 1
rshen5 said:
forming 2 vectors ?
a=(-3,1)
b=(1,1)
Here is your mistake. Your a vector should have a slope of -3, but its slope is actually -1/3.
rshen5 said:
then using vector = dot point equation to find the angle between them ..
a*b*cos (theta) = a_x*b_x+a_y+b_y

but i still got the wrong answer
the answe is : 63.43 degrees
See above.
 
Mark44 said:
Better, y1' = -3 and y2' = 1
Here is your mistake. Your a vector should have a slope of -3, but its slope is actually -1/3.
See above.

why is the slope (-1/3) not -3?

so does that mean in vector forms they will be:
a = (-1/3 , 1)
b= (1,1)
 
rshen5 said:
why is the slope (-1/3) not -3?
Because the slope is rise/run. What is the slope of the line segment between (0, 0) and (-3, 1)?
rshen5 said:
so does that mean in vector forms they will be:
a = (-1/3 , 1)
b= (1,1)
Or a = (-1, 3)
 
rshen5:
This is a tricky problem since the two functions never intersect. See attached plot.
 

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SteamKing said:
rshen5:
This is a tricky problem since the two functions never intersect. See attached plot.
You're right. I didn't catch that minus sign in y = -3e-x.
 

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