Calculus based physics differences algebra based physics

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the differences between algebra-based and calculus-based physics, exploring their applications, teaching methods, and the mathematical frameworks involved. Participants share their experiences and perspectives on how calculus influences the understanding of physics concepts.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe algebra-based physics as relying primarily on algebra and basic trigonometry, while calculus-based physics incorporates calculus for deeper understanding.
  • One participant argues that adding calculus does not significantly change the physics taught in introductory courses, as many concepts can be derived algebraically.
  • Another participant suggests that calculus provides a more elegant and simplified approach to physics, allowing for the derivation of formulas rather than memorization.
  • Concerns are raised about the perceived simplification of calculus-based texts over time, with some participants noting that earlier editions included more rigorous derivations and applications of calculus.
  • There is a discussion about the advantages of calculus in advanced topics, such as Maxwell's equations and fluid dynamics, which may not be adequately covered in algebra-based courses.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the concepts of derivation, differential forms, and integral forms, indicating a need for clarification on these mathematical tools.
  • One participant shares a personal experience suggesting that a good teacher can make a significant difference in understanding calculus-based physics compared to algebra-based physics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with some agreeing that calculus offers a more elegant framework for understanding physics, while others argue that the differences in content may not be as pronounced as suggested. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall effectiveness and content differences between the two approaches.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the current curriculum, such as the exclusion of certain advanced topics in algebra-based physics and the lack of emphasis on derivations in calculus-based texts. There is also mention of varying teaching quality impacting student experiences.

  • #31
Basically with calculus we are able to expand upon the ideas presented with an algebraic approach to physics. Not only can the algebraic equations be derived using calculus but there are some cases where it is much more practical (and easier) to use calculus.

For instance say we wanted to find a velocity of a function at a certain time, with only knowing it's position at any given time. Without calculus the best we can do is approximate this. But since a velocity is just a change in position, if we find the change in position over an infinitely small time interval we can find the actual velocity of an object. This would be an example of differentiation.

An example of integral calculus would be something like this. Say you have a rigid rod and you wanted to calculate the force of gravity the rod exerts on another object at sometime. Well to do this we need to chop the rod up into finitely small parts and find the force for all of these parts, then sum them together to get the total force. Without calculus goodluck summing up the force of an infinite number of pieces of a rod.

Also you can have differential equations (Just shows how a particular function is changing) and you might want to calculate a value of the function at a particular point. A good example of this would be a spring that is dampened.
 
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  • #32
algebra based physics is what pre med students take
calc based physics is what science/engineering majors take.
simple as that.
 
  • #33
awvvu said:
That makes absolutely no sense. And the units don't match up either.

Oh the plus should be a x and the m should be a v. I just did some basic antidifferentiation.
 

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