Calculus II- Pressure and Force Question

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the force acting on one end of a cylindrical drum submerged in water, with specific dimensions and depth considerations. The subject area is calculus, particularly focusing on integration and the application of pressure concepts in fluid mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the limits of the definite integral used in the force calculation, specifically questioning the reasoning behind the limits of -3 to 3. There is an exploration of how the radius of the cylinder relates to these limits.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the setup of the integral and the definitions of variables involved. Some hints have been provided regarding the relationship between the radius of the cylinder and the limits of integration, but no consensus has been reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the cylindrical drum has a radius of 3m and that the depth of water is significant in determining pressure. The reference point for the variable x is the center of the circle, which is central to the discussion of limits in the integral.

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Homework Statement



Find the force acting on one end of a cylindrical drum with 3m. If the rim is submerged horizontally into water so that the bottom is 10m deep.

Homework Equations


A(x) - Area
p(x) - Pressure = density * Depth

g= 9.8

A(x) =2\sqrt{9-x^{2}}

P(x) = 1000(7+x) * g

dF = 2000*g*\sqrt{9-x^{2}}(7+x) dx

F = 2000g \int^{3}_{-3}\sqrt{9-x^{2}}(7+x)dx

Finally, my question is why is the limit goes from -3 to 3? Where does it come from? A picture is in the attachment.

The Attempt at a Solution


I have no clue about this. I am ok with Integrals and finding the equations for the problem. However, I am not sure on how to find the limits of the definite integral, so hints and information on how to find the limits (such as -3 to 3) is very much appreciated. Thank you for your time.
 

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1LastTry said:

Homework Statement



Find the force acting on one end of a cylindrical drum with 3m. If the rim is submerged horizontally into water so that the bottom is 10m deep.

Homework Equations


A(x) - Area
p(x) - Pressure = density * Depth

g= 9.8

A(x) =2\sqrt{9-x^{2}}

P(x) = 1000(7+x) * g

dF = 2000*g*\sqrt{9-x^{2}}(7+x) dx

F = 2000g \int^{3}_{-3}\sqrt{9-x^{2}}(7+x)dx

Finally, my question is why is the limit goes from -3 to 3? Where does it come from? A picture is in the attachment.

The Attempt at a Solution


I have no clue about this. I am ok with Integrals and finding the equations for the problem. However, I am not sure on how to find the limits of the definite integral, so hints and information on how to find the limits (such as -3 to 3) is very much appreciated. Thank you for your time.
How is x defined in this problem?

Where is x = -3 ?

Where is x = 3 ?


By the way, I think you intended to say that the cylindrical drum has a radius of 3m .
 
SammyS said:
How is x defined in this problem?

Where is x = -3 ?

Where is x = 3 ?By the way, I think you intended to say that the cylindrical drum has a radius of 3m .

Yes that is what I meant the radius is 3. And x is marked in the attachment.

And that is what I am asking: where did the prof get the -3 to 3 for the definite integral.
 
Quote: And that is what I am asking: where did the prof get the -3 to 3 for the definite integral.

Hint: the cylinder has a radius of 3 m. Doesn't that suggest why the limits are -3 to 3?

Do you understand how the integral is set up?
 
SteamKing said:
Quote: And that is what I am asking: where did the prof get the -3 to 3 for the definite integral.

Hint: the cylinder has a radius of 3 m. Doesn't that suggest why the limits are -3 to 3?

Do you understand how the integral is set up?

I know it suggests that it has something to do with the radius. I am unclear on how the integral is set up for this question, but I know what each number or variable is representing. The main thing I am not clear about is why -3 to 3? Why -3 to 3? Why not 0-6 or 4-10? Does it have to do with the area where we represented with x?
 
The reference point for x is the center of the circle. The circle has a radius of 3 m. The depth of water at the center of the circle is 4m + 3m = 7m. The pressure of the water is constant along a horizontal line, like the one shown in the picture. The pressure acting at x from the center of the circle is (x + 7)*1000*g N/m^2.
The equation of a circle with radius 3 is x^2+y^2 = 9. This implies that the half-width y of the circle at x is
sqrt (9 - x^2). The force at x is P*dA and dA = 2y*dx. In order to find the total force on the end of the cylinder, you must integrate from 3 m above the center of the circle to 3 m below. Given the definition of water depth relative to the center of the circle, -3 m is at the top closest to the water surface and 3 m is at the bottom.
 

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