Can a CHANGING magnetic field change the speed of a charged particle

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The discussion revolves around whether a changing magnetic field can change the speed of a charged particle. Participants explore different scenarios, including time-varying and position-varying magnetic fields, and their implications on induced electric fields and particle motion.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants state that a changing magnetic field does not change the speed of a charged particle because the magnetic force acts perpendicular to the velocity of the particle.
  • Others argue that a time-varying magnetic field can induce an electric field, which can change the speed of a charged particle.
  • A participant raises the ambiguity in the question regarding whether the magnetic field is changing with respect to time or position.
  • Some participants suggest that if the magnetic field is changing with position but not with time, there would be no induced electric field.
  • Another viewpoint is that even a static magnetic field can induce an EMF if the area in Faraday's law is changing, highlighting the complexity of the situation.
  • Concerns are expressed about the understanding of how magnetic fields can change in both time and position, especially in practical applications like generators.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus. There are multiple competing views regarding the effects of changing magnetic fields on charged particles, particularly distinguishing between time-varying and position-varying fields.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in definitions and assumptions regarding the nature of magnetic fields and their effects on charged particles. The nuances of induced electric fields and their relation to particle speed are not fully resolved.

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We had this ques. in a test - "can a changing magnetic field change the speed of a charged particle". The ans given to us was "no because it's velocity is perpendicular to the magnetic force due to the mag field" but a friend of mine wrote that a changing mag. field will induce an emf which will act on the particle and change its speed and hence the mag field can change the speed.
I can not prove him wrong and so i think he is right.
What's going on here
 
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aniket7tomar said:
We had this ques. in a test - "can a changing magnetic field change the speed of a charged particle". The ans given to us was "no because it's velocity is perpendicular to the magnetic force due to the mag field" but a friend of mine wrote that a changing mag. field will induce an emf which will act on the particle and change its speed and hence the mag field can change the speed.
I can not prove him wrong and so i think he is right.
What's going on here

First of all, the question is a bit vague. When we talk about something "changing", it must be changing with respect to a particular variable. In this case, is the magnetic field changing with position (which means that it has a gradient over distance), or is it changing with respect to time (which means that it is time varying)?

For the latter, one can easily invoke one of Maxwell's equation, which is Faraday's law that says that a time-varying magnetic field can induce an electric field (more accurately, the curl of the electric field is not zero). And we all know that the presence of an electric field can change the speed of a charged particle.

Zz.
 
So for the case you considered my friend is right?
And will it not be the same if the field was changing with position.
 
aniket7tomar said:
So for the case you considered [time-varying magnetic field] my friend is right?

Yes. This is the principle behind an early type of particle accelerator, the betatron:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betatron
 
aniket7tomar said:
So for the case you considered my friend is right?
And will it not be the same if the field was changing with position.

No, if the field is changing with position, but not with time, there is no induced electric field.
 
It's also ambiguous in the sense that, even in the case of a time-varying magnetic field, one can argue that it is not the time varying magnetic field which is changing the speed of the particle, it is the electric field.
 
thanks,
sorry for that stupid ques about mag field changing with position...
i don't know why i asked that?
 
dauto said:
No, if the field is changing with position, but not with time, there is no induced electric field.

I was under the impression that a magnetic field changes in both position and time. How else would moving a magnet in and out of a coil produce a current?
 
Well, of course it can! This happens all the time in a loop of conducting wire rotating in a magnetic field, such as in that of a dynamo or other electrical generator.

The electron is a charged particle. As the loop rotates, the direction of the magnetic field through the loop changes. This generates an AC current in the wire. The speed of the electrons in the wire change from zero to plus or minus a voltage that depends on the strength of the changing magnetic field.

How could it be that no one else here gets this, or am I missing some nuance of the question?
 
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Drakkith said:
I was under the impression that a magnetic field changes in both position and time. How else would moving a magnet in and out of a coil produce a current?

A magnetic field can change in time or position or both but there is no reason it must necessarily change in both. If the magnetic field has time variation then it will "generate" a current. Spatial variation doesn't matter for that.
 
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danshawen said:
Well, of course it can! This happens all the time in a loop of conducting wire rotating in a magnetic field, such as in that of a dynamo or other electrical generator.

The electron is a charged particle. As the loop rotates, the direction of the magnetic field through the loop changes. This generates an AC current in the wire. The speed of the electrons in the wire change from zero to plus or minus a voltage that depends on the strength of the changing magnetic field.

How could it be that no one else here gets this, or am I missing some nuance of the question?

You are correct. A static (in time) magnetic field can also induce an EMF if the area in Faraday's law is changing with respect to the magnetic field. This is because to a particle in motion relative to a magnetic field, even if the magnetic field is static, the Lorentz transformation to a moving frame of reference will produce an electric field.

In the moving frame of the moving particle (moving current loop), there IS an electric field and an induced emf.
 

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