Can a Cone Save an Egg from a 15-Meter Drop?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around designing a device to protect an egg during a 15-meter drop, adhering to specific constraints on materials and construction methods. Participants explore various strategies to minimize the impact force on the egg, considering principles of physics and engineering design.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant emphasizes the importance of extending the impact time to reduce the force experienced by the egg, suggesting that momentum and energy considerations are key to the design.
  • Another participant draws an analogy to modern car safety designs, hinting at structural deformation during impacts as a potential strategy for the egg drop challenge.
  • A suggestion is made to use cotton around the egg and wood for additional protection, although no detailed rationale is provided.
  • One participant proposes using a cone structure to house the egg, arguing that the cone's shape can absorb impact effectively, provided it is designed to ensure the egg is deep inside and that the cone hits the ground with the edge downwards.
  • Concerns are raised about the durability of the cone after the initial impact, indicating it may not be reusable for subsequent drops.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views on the best design approach, with no consensus reached on a single solution. Different strategies are proposed, each with its own rationale and assumptions.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss various design constraints and the implications of material choices, but some assumptions about the effectiveness of proposed designs remain unverified. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical or physical principles involved in the egg drop challenge.

Who May Find This Useful

Students working on similar egg drop projects, educators seeking examples of engineering design challenges, and individuals interested in practical applications of physics concepts.

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OKay, i have to do the egg drop for class and I can't think of any ideas. All my trys have failed and the parameters are killing me.
It has to be:

-made up of 100% biodegradable products. No plastics, metals, rubber, sponges, real sponges, not even biodegradable styrofoam. Basically I can only use paper, food, glue, wood, plants(like cotton), tape, and string.

-No Parachutes(this part sucks) Defined as any material attached to your eggcraft in such a way that it will expand outward as it falls, catching air. They can be attatched in a floppy way, just not in a concave shape to cause drag.

-No larger than 20 inches in any direction

-No tape or glue must touch the egg.

Here are the grading parameters:
Mass of eggcraft(grams)~Percent Grade

>50g~75%

36-50g~80%

31-35g~85%

26~30g~90%

21-25g~95%

16-20g~100%

<16g~105%

I've exhausted my mind of choices and ideas and failures, any ideas?
 
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Start by thinking what would make a successful egg drop. The point is to construct something around the egg to lessen the force experience by the egg when the impact with the ground occurs. How can the force of an impact be lessened?

One way to thing of it is momentum. The egg is falling and right before the ground has a known velocity (v=sqrt(2gh). After the impact the egg has a velocity of zero. This change in momentum means a force acted over some period of time. To reduce the force think of a way to extend the impact time of the egg with the ground.

Another thing to do would be to think about energy. The ball is falling and gaining Kinetic Energy. Right before the ball hits the ground it has reached it's max KE. In order to stop the egg a force must do work on the egg. To reduce the force think of a way to extend the distance the force acts during the impact of the egg and ground (think front end of a car smashing in).

So in summary think of someway to use your materials to extend the time the impact takes and/or the distance the total impact takes. Due to F=dp/dt & W=Fd (one dim constant force)
 
Also think about how modern cars are designed for safety. I'm not talking about seat belts or air bags, but what happens to the structure of the car during a crash.
 
Use cotton around the egg and put wood (ice cream sticks or something) for extra protection. Hope this helps??
 
I have seen even economy students do that in two hours...

What you need is to put the egg in a cone, and then make sure that the cone hits the floor with the edge pointing downwards(Preferably by having a large cone so that the egg gets really deep inside it with the rest of the cone keeping stability through the air pressure, so it needs to be large and thin). Make some cushion around it too but not too much, the cone shape will work as a great cushiner itself since it allows the egg to fall downwards inside it very far while putting up great resistance all of the way. The cushion around the egg is basically to protect it when the cone inevitable falls over, the cone itself will take the force from the first hit. Also note that this is a one time deal, after it have fallen it will be so knuckled that it won't serve as a good cushion again.

And that was for a 15 meter drop, it is quite hard to make it but it is possible, not all cones will work but it is the best way unless you are allowed to use parachutes I promise you.
 
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