Can a conformal flat metric be curved?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether a specific conformal metric produces zero or nonzero curvature. Participants explore the implications of conformal transformations in the context of metrics and curvature, with a focus on a metric defined by a scale factor that varies with time.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suspects that the curvature of the given conformal metric is zero, while others suggest it may not be, indicating a lack of consensus.
  • Another participant notes that Penrose diagrams utilize conformal transformations to relate curved metrics to flat ones, implying that a flat metric can indeed be associated with curvature.
  • A mathematical expression for the curvature of a conformal metric is provided, highlighting the complexity of the relationship between the metric and curvature.
  • One participant questions the basis for the suspicion of zero curvature, prompting further exploration of the reasoning behind this assumption.
  • Another participant discusses the transformation of the metric into a form resembling typical cosmological solutions, suggesting that the metric will not be flat unless the scale factor is constant.
  • A participant challenges the reliability of the MAXIMA software outputs, questioning the consistency of results based on varying inputs.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the curvature is zero or nonzero, and the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the implications of the conformal metric.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the behavior of the scale factor and its impact on curvature, as well as dependencies on the definitions used in the calculations.

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If the flat (Cartesian) metric is multiplied by a time dependent scale factor could it yield a curvature?
5/18/22
I am an MS in physics.

I need to find out if the following CONFORMAL
METRIC produces zero or nonzero curvature?

I suspect the curvature is zero, but others
have said it's probably not? MAXIMA
sometimes says it is, and other times produces
a Ricci scalar that looks like the FRW scalar
curvature ?

Does someone know the answer to this question
off the top of their head?

If not, could someone possibly plug this metric
into Mathematica and tell me if Ricci scalar
is actually zero or if not, what it actually is ?

|a 0 0 0 |
|0 a 0 0 | = the given spacetime metric
|0 0 a 0 |
|0 0 0 -a|

where: a = a(t) = "the scale factor" is a
simple well behaved function of time.

Thanks in advance, absolutely desperate,
Kurvature
 
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Penrose diagrams use a conformal transformation to map a curved metric into a flat Minkowski one (often with non-Minkowskian global topology). Hence the inverse conformal transformation maps a flat metric into a curved one. So the answer is - yes.
 
The curvature of ##g_{ab} = \Omega(x)^2 \eta_{ab}## is
\begin{align*}
R_{ab} = \frac{1}{\Omega^2}(4\partial_a \Omega \partial_b \Omega - 2\partial_a \partial_b \Omega -(|\nabla \Omega|^2 + \Omega \Delta \Omega)\eta_{ab})
\end{align*}where ##\Delta = \partial^a \partial_a## and ##|\nabla \Omega|^2 = \partial^a \Omega \partial_a \Omega##. Such transformations of flat spacetimes have many interesting applications. For example, a particle of charge ##q## coupling to a scalar field ##\Phi(x)## in flat spacetime, as per ##q \partial_a \Phi = u^b \nabla_b \left[ (m + q\Phi) u_a \right]##, is equivalently described by a curved spacetime with metric ##g_{ab} = (m + q\Phi)^2 \eta_{ab}## with the curvature generated by some hypothetical matter field whose properties can be explored.
 
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If you are looking at ##ds^2 = a^2(t)(-dt^2+dx^2+dy^2+dz^2)=-a^2(t)dt^2+a^2(t)dx^2+a^2(t)dy^2+a^2(t)dz^2##
you can change the variables ##t'=\int a(t)dt##, the others remain the same, then you get ##-dt'^2+a^2(t')dx^2+a^2(t')dy^2+a^2(t')dz^2## the line element of a typical cosmological solution, which will not be flat unless ##a=const##.

Also it is not that hard to caclulate curvature in terms of ##a(t)##. Even if you don't use anything that might simplify the calculations, it will not be so bad. All you need is one component of the Riemann tensor that is not zero, you don't have to compute all.
 
Kurvature said:
MAXIMA
sometimes says it is, and other times produces
a Ricci scalar that looks like the FRW scalar
curvature ?
What specific input are you giving MAXIMA to get these different answers? The same input will always give the same output, so it doesn't make sense to say MAXIMA "sometimes" says one thing and sometimes says another for the same input.
 
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