Undergrad Can a Core-less Dynamo Really Achieve Double Efficiency?

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A core-less dynamo cannot achieve double efficiency, as the maximum efficiency is capped at 1. The discussion highlights that the equations JxB emf = E.J emf misrepresent the relationship between electromagnetic force and mechanical energy. The inward Poynting vector indicates that the system behaves like a motor or resistor, consuming energy rather than producing it. The consensus is that claims of over-unity efficiency are pseudoscientific and violate established physical laws.

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It seems that a core-less dynamo would have a maximum efficiency of 2.
The argument is as follows:
JxB emf= E.J emf
JxB does no work
E.J does work
Thus output is twice the mechanical energy spent
Inward Poynting vector?
 
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goran d said:
The argument is as follows:
JxB emf= E.J emf
The left hand side is a vector. The right hand side is a scalar. That should be a good hint that the argument is wrong. (In case non conservation of energy weren’t enough of a hint)
 
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goran d said:
Inward Poynting vector?
If you want to convert rotor energy to EM energy, you will need Poynting to flow outwards. Inward suggests it is actually a motor or resistor that consumes electrical energy.
 
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goran d said:
It seems that a core-less dynamo would have a maximum efficiency of 2.
The argument is as follows:
JxB emf= E.J emf
JxB does no work
E.J does work
Thus output is twice the mechanical energy spent
Inward Poynting vector?

We do not allow the discussion of nonsense like over-unity processes (efficiency = 2). Per the PF rules:

micromass said:
Pseudoscience, such as (but not limited to):
Perpetual motion and "free energy" discussions (see our Insights Article here)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion
http://www.skepdic.com/freeenergy.html
http://www.skepdic.com/perpetual.html

You are on a 10-day vacation from the PF now. Not that it seems to matter -- you seem to only stop by PF every year or two to post nonsense. If you do it again, you will be permanently banned. Have a nice day.
 
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