Can a cyclotron be used for nuclear fusion

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The discussion revolves around the potential use of cyclotrons for nuclear fusion, exploring whether these particle accelerators can effectively fuse atoms. Participants also touch on the application of cyclotrons in cancer treatment, particularly in relation to radiation therapy.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that cyclotrons, as particle accelerators, can indeed be used to fuse atoms by providing sufficient energy to overcome potential barriers.
  • Others argue that using cyclotrons for sustained nuclear fusion power generation would be inefficient compared to other methods, such as tokamaks, which utilize magnetic confinement.
  • One participant mentions the use of a 300 kilovolt electrostatic accelerator for D-T fusion neutron generation, suggesting that cyclotrons may be excessive for this purpose.
  • There is a discussion about the gamma knife, with participants providing definitions and descriptions of its use in cancer treatment, including its reliance on cobalt-60 and the precision of its radiation delivery.
  • Some participants discuss the complexities and advantages of proton beam therapy using compact cyclotrons compared to electron beam accelerators.
  • Technical details are shared regarding the operation of radiation treatment systems, including the mechanics of intensity modulated radiation treatment (IMRT) and the challenges of moving large proton beam accelerators around patients.
  • One participant introduces a theoretical approach involving betatrons and proposes injecting different types of ions to overcome limitations in current generation, suggesting a novel method for achieving fusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the efficiency and practicality of using cyclotrons for nuclear fusion, with no consensus reached on the best approach for fusion energy generation. The discussion on cancer treatment methods also reveals a variety of opinions and approaches, indicating a lack of agreement on the optimal techniques.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations in the discussion include the dependence on specific definitions of fusion efficiency, the complexity of cancer types and treatments, and unresolved technical details regarding the proposed methods for fusion using betatrons.

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essentailly cyclotrons are used to smash one atom into another. can it be done to fuse atoms?

oh and i read that cyclotrons are used to treat canncer. they shoot ionizing particles at the cancer while, avoiding non cancer tissue. if anyone knows the best way to cure cancer in terms of radiation please let me know.
 
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Yes, cyclotrons are a type of particle accelerator and fusing atoms is mostly an act of banging them together hard enough that they overcome the potential barrier, so it can be done. Although, this would not be a very efficient method alone to generate sustained power as a nuclear fusion reactor, if that's what you had in mind. The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokamak" is much more promising as a nuclear fusion reactor, and it is related in principle to a cyclotron in that they both used magnetic confinement.
 
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To answer your question about the best way to treat cancer, it depends on the type of cancer, where it's located, how advanced it is, etc. For exampl,e most thyroid cancers are easily treatable with I-131 to ablate the thyroid. Certain gliomas use I-131 bound to scorpion venom, others use a gamma knife, others use linacs, etc.
 
whoa please define a gamma knife!
 
I have seen a 300 kilovolt electrostatic accelerator (Cockroft-Walton) used for D-T fusion neutron generation. Using a cyclotron would be overkill for D-T fusion. "Gamma knife" I think is a trade-mark name for a Varian brand electron accelerator (linac), about 6 MeV, used for cancer treatment with high energy collimated x-rays (actually bremsstrahlung).

Compact cyclotrons (about 250 MeV) are being used to do proton beam cancer treatment. The facilities are much more complex than electron beam accelerators, and do provide a better beam for some (all?) cancers.

Bob S
 
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yes i rad that the gamma knife is used for brain surgery. using colbalt-60 as the radioactive element. they surgically attach the operating table onto the patients head. the laser is attached to the operating tabel and as the gamma knife's name implys it's as accurate as a blade
 
RADboy said:
@BobS
yes i rad that the gamma knife is used for brain surgery. using colbalt-60 as the radioactive element. they surgically attach the operating table onto the patients head. the laser is attached to the operating tabel and as the gamma knife's name implys it's as accurate as a blade
GE has developed such a system. The trick is to use several separate and collimated gamma sources, such anyone is a reduced dose, but the beams are directed at a common point or focus, so that the target receives a much higher dose than the surrounding tissue.

The cobalt sources are irradiated in a commerical reactor in a special assembly.
 
Astronuc said:
GE has developed such a system. The trick is to use several separate and collimated gamma sources, such anyone is a reduced dose, but the beams are directed at a common point or focus, so that the target receives a much higher dose than the surrounding tissue.
The electron linac radiation sources are very small and typically rotate through a complete 360 degree arc around the patient during a single IMRT (intensity modulated radiation treatment) radiation treatment. The intensity modulation includes active control of the beam collimation aperture (tungsten shims). Each treatment lasts less than 5 minutes.

For proton beams, the roughly 240-MeV proton beam requires an accelerator (cyclotron, synchrotron) which is much too large to move around the patient, so a very large gantry of bending and focusing magnets rotates around the patient during treatment. (It would be easier to spin the patient, but internal organs tend to move around during the treatment).

Bob S
 
yes i remember. what's special about the assembly. i know cobalt-60's half-life is around 5 years. does that have anything to do with it?
 
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chrisbaird said:
Yes, cyclotrons are a type of particle accelerator and fusing atoms is mostly an act of banging them together hard enough that they overcome the potential barrier, so it can be done. Although, this would not be a very efficient method alone to generate sustained power as a nuclear fusion reactor, if that's what you had in mind. The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokamak" is much more promising as a nuclear fusion reactor, and it is related in principle to a cyclotron in that they both used magnetic confinement.
By the method of generation of circular electric field TOKAMAK is very similar to betatron.
As in both those devices plasma torus in one case and the circulating beam in the second are considered as secondary winding of transformer.
Betatrons have space charge current limitation as their purpose is to generation of beams of charged particles charged uniformly - or in the other words beams in betatrons are non-neutralized.
Currents in TOKAMAKs where quasineutral plasma is used reach to megaamperes orders and limited with instabilities creation conditions e.g. Kruskal-Shafranov limitation.
There are some projects to build high currents betatrons: FFAG betatrons, betatron with additional Stellarator windings (Stellatron) http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/1108024/files/p79.pdf , etc.

I proposed to inject into the common equilibrium betatron orbit two types of reacting ions moving with different velocities at one direction and relativistic electrons oppositely.
That should work as we can avoid betatron's space charge current limitation, unidirectional currents attract each other making pinch and different velocities can provide enough collision energy in center-of-mass frame.
 
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