Nuclear fusion using miniature optical particle accelerator?

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of using miniature optical particle accelerators to achieve nuclear fusion, specifically focusing on the acceleration of Deuterium or Tritium nuclei to a target for fusion reactions. Participants explore theoretical and practical aspects of this concept, including energy efficiency and potential applications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes the use of optical accelerators to accelerate nuclei for fusion, suggesting that smaller size could lead to lower energy consumption.
  • Another participant notes that beam-target fusion was historically used but argues that energy losses are too high for it to be viable.
  • A different participant questions whether the efficiency of optical accelerators could lead to a net energy gain from fusion, considering losses from ionization and bremsstrahlung.
  • Some participants mention existing fusion reactor designs, like Tokamaks, which are claimed to be more efficient than the proposed optical accelerator approach.
  • One participant asserts that even with highly efficient accelerators, the low cross-section for fusion reactions means energy losses from nuclear interactions outweigh potential gains.
  • Another participant highlights the efficiency of electrostatic acceleration compared to lasers, suggesting that the latter's efficiency diminishes when focusing on high fields.
  • A participant points out that for fusion to occur, nuclei must collide head-on, and most accelerated nuclei miss their targets, leading to wasted energy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of achieving economically viable fusion through optical accelerators. While some acknowledge the theoretical possibility, others argue that practical limitations and energy losses make it unlikely. There is no consensus on the viability of the proposed method.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss various factors affecting energy efficiency, including the efficiency of different acceleration methods and the challenges of achieving effective collisions between nuclei. The discussion highlights unresolved issues related to energy losses in nuclear interactions and the specific conditions required for fusion.

Cybersoya
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Greetings

I am not a physicist myself, so please forgive me, if my question/proposition will sound naif.

I noticed some articles about accelerating electrons using laser and glass gratings:

http://phys.org/news/2013-09-chip.html
http://phys.org/news/2013-10-particles-compact-particle.html

I was wondering, could the same method of acceleration be used to accelerate nuclei of Deuterium or Tritium to the D-T target at the end of such "optical accelerator", with sufficient energy for nuclear fusion to take place (which is above 100 keV, if I understand correctly)?
If such acceleration of nuclei could be fine tuned to consume as little energy as possible, could we achieve fusion with positive net energy gain?
I suppose such "warm" fusion would not heat the bombarded target to millions of Kelvin, but this is good so, this would prevent the device from destruction. If target could be heated enough to boil the water or to drive the thermoelectric generator, that would be enough.
We could then mass-produce such "optical accelerators" (which can be, if I understand correctly, just ten centimeters long) and join them into arrays to produce enough heat/electricity for practical use.

This is my idea. Do you think it is theoretically and practically feasible?

Thank you for your answers.
 
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Cybersoya said:
I was wondering, could the same method of acceleration be used to accelerate nuclei of Deuterium or Tritium to the D-T target at the end of such "optical accelerator", with sufficient energy for nuclear fusion to take place (which is above 100 keV, if I understand correctly)?

Sure, the acceleration of tritium/deuterium into a stationary target was one of the first methods used to study nuclear fusion.

Cybersoya said:
If such acceleration of nuclei could be fine tuned to consume as little energy as possible, could we achieve fusion with positive net energy gain?

It cannot. The losses are simply too high and there is no way to reduce them. Beam-target fusion is not a viable concept.
See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fusion#Beam-beam_or_beam-target_fusion
 
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Thank you for your answer.I've heard of neutron generators and of fusors before, so my thinking was: if optical accelerator is orders of magnitude smaller than conventional accelerators, is then its energy consumption also orders of magnitude smaller? If it is coupled with efficient laser, could there be still some hope for gaining energy from fusion?
Or would even a 100% efficient method of particle acceleration (all energy put into system goes 100% to accelerated particle) still not produce enough heat from fusion, as input energy would be mostly lost in ionization and bremsstrahlung at the stationary target?
If I understood Wikipedia explanation correctly, problems with loosing energy to ionization and bremsstrahlung occur only in stationary target and could be avoided with beam-beam fusion? So put two optical accelerators facing each other - but that would probably melt delicate glass gratings and so destroy the device.

To resume my reasoning: if optical accelerators can be made orders of magnitude smaller than conventional accelerators AND if they could also be made orders of magnitude more efficient than conventional accelerators - could there be some hope for economically viable fusion?
 
There are existing models for fusion reactors which already are very much more efficient.
The Tokamac design is one of the most promising and is the basis for the ITER project.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITER

If things work as intended this plant ought to be able to output continuous power of 500 megawatts while needing 50 megawatts to operate.
 
Cybersoya said:
To resume my reasoning: if optical accelerators can be made orders of magnitude smaller than conventional accelerators AND if they could also be made orders of magnitude more efficient than conventional accelerators - could there be some hope for economically viable fusion?

Nope. The cross section for the reaction is simply too low. Even with perfectly efficient accelerators you will still lose more energy from electromagnetic interactions between the nuclei than you will gain from fusion. I think that's the key here. Its not the energy loss from the accelerators that limits beam-beam fusion, it's the energy loss from the interactions of the nuclei themselves.
 
Electrostatic acceleration for energies up to 1 MeV is nearly 100% efficient, orders of magnitude better than lasers. Those can achieve ~10% efficiency in high-power applications, but if you want to focus them to really high fields the efficiency goes down significantly. To make it even worse, only a small fraction of that energy is transferred to the accelerated particles.
 
Many people have had the idea you propose. The problem with your idea is that, in order to fuse, the two nuclei need to hit nearly head-on. Otherwise the incoming nucleus is simply deflected without achieving fusion. Since nuclei are so small in relation to atoms, most of the accelerated nuclei simply "miss", meaning that they don't strike the target nuclei head-on. The energy of the accelerated nuclei that miss targets is just wasted, and the energy generated by the small fraction of nuclei that do fuse is not enough to make up for all of the wasted energy.
 

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