Can a Gold Leaf Electroscope Detect Alpha Particles?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the use of a Gold Leaf Electroscope to detect alpha particles emitted by radioactive materials. Participants explore the feasibility of this application, including experimental approaches and the limitations of the electroscope in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether a Gold Leaf Electroscope can effectively detect alpha particles, noting that its primary function is to determine if an object is charged.
  • Others argue that alpha radiation may ionize the air, potentially activating the electroscope, but highlight the need for alpha particles to penetrate the glass surrounding the gold leaf.
  • A participant shares a personal experiment where they observed a significant difference in the discharge rate of two electroscopes, one near a polonium-210 source, suggesting that it may be possible to detect alpha particles under certain conditions.
  • Another participant proposes using a luminescent screen to observe the effects of alpha particles, indicating alternative experimental methods.
  • Concerns are raised about the sensitivity of Geiger counters to alpha particles, with discussions on whether the presence of alpha emitters would significantly affect readings of gamma and beta radiation.
  • Some participants assert that while there are better methods for detecting alpha particles, the electroscope could still be used for this purpose if no other options are available.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of the Gold Leaf Electroscope for detecting alpha particles, with no consensus reached on its viability for this application. Some acknowledge its limitations while others propose experimental methods to explore its potential.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for careful consideration of experimental conditions, such as the distance from the radioactive source and the materials used, which may affect the results. There are also discussions about the limitations of detection equipment like Geiger counters in relation to alpha particles.

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Can we use Gold Leaf Electroscope to check whether a radioactive material gives off Alpha particles?
 
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Muhammad Danish said:
Can we use Gold Leaf Electroscope to check whether a radioactive material gives off Alpha particles?
I did this experiment when I was a kid--but not quantitatively. Two gold leaf electroscopes were charged together, then separated. One served as the control: it was placed in proximity to an ordinary needle. The other was placed in proximity to a needle tipped with polonium-210, an alpha emitter. The gold leaves came together much more quickly than on the control. I think I bought it as a science kit (!).

If you have a fresh, calibrated source and can weigh yours samples accurately, it might not be too difficult to get a quantitative answer.

Another simple way might be to place the sample close to luminescent screen, say zinc sulphide, in total darkless, and observe (or measure) the luminosity. That worked too, but I didn't measure it. The zinc sulphide was on one end of cork, and the needle with the emitter was stuck in the center.

BTW, brushes incorporating a Polonium-210 source used to be used to eliminate static from camera lenses, photographic negatives and even phonograph records. They worked great!
https://www.orau.org/PTP/collection/consumer products/staticeliminator.htm
 
Hi, I was wondering what how sensitive your avarage geiger counter (GQ gmc-320 plus) would be to alpha particles? If there was only an extremely tiny amount of alpha emmiters would the cpm increase significantly or could it still be hovering around background radiation because of the small amount?
 
What does the sensor of the GQ gmc-320 plus look like? If it doesn't have a thin window (so thin you would break it if touched), it's not going to be sensitive to alphas.
 
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Thanks so much for you reply! No, it doesn't seem to so I'm guessing it's just for gamma and beta, would there be an increase in gamma and beta if alpha was present or would that be so small it would hardly push the cpm up?
 
Gene Naden said:
That is not the main use of an electroscope;
What has that got to do with whether or not it can be used for that purpose? The discharge of a gold leaf is affected by ionising radiation so why not use it as a detector?
The rate of discharge could be measured at various distances and with various materials in between to compensate for the effects of Beta and Gamma. Having said that, there are better ways of detecting alphas but, if all you have is an electroscope, why not?
 

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