Can a molecular biology major do NMR?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the feasibility and preparation for a molecular biology major to pursue solid state NMR (Nuclear Magnetic Resonance) in graduate school. It explores the necessary background in physics and chemistry, the relevance of additional coursework, and the interdisciplinary nature of NMR research.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern about lacking the requisite physics background for solid state NMR, despite having taken relevant courses in physics and chemistry.
  • Another participant suggests that thermodynamics and a quantum course would be beneficial for understanding NMR.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes the importance of checking specific graduate school requirements, noting that a biology background may not suffice without adequate physics coursework.
  • One participant mentions that interdisciplinary programs may accept biology majors with physical chemistry courses, indicating variability in program requirements.
  • There is a suggestion that additional physics classes may not be necessary if the focus is on using NMR as a tool rather than developing new methods.
  • A participant with a biochemistry background shares their experience with NMR, suggesting that a strong foundation in mathematics and physical chemistry can enable biology majors to grasp NMR concepts effectively.
  • Another participant notes that while heavy theory may not be required, a fundamental understanding of quantum mechanics is important, and emphasizes the need for adaptability and creativity in using NMR.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of opinions regarding the necessity of additional physics courses and the adequacy of a biology background for pursuing NMR. There is no consensus on whether specific courses are essential, and the discussion reflects varying perspectives on interdisciplinary collaboration in NMR research.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to individual program requirements and the varying levels of physics and chemistry knowledge among biology majors. The discussion also reflects differing views on the relevance of advanced physics coursework for practical applications of NMR.

davidmigl
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I am a junior molecular biology major. I plan to go into graduate school and currently my #1 topic of interest is using solid state NMR to determine molecular structure. I am doing research on the unrelated topic of bacteriophage genomics but do not want to change labs because I am well established and have a poster presentation and publication pending, both of which would be forfeited if I left.

I have read numerous papers on NMR and am quite concerned that I do not have the requisite physics background to do well in this field. Most NMR profs seem to be physicists-turned-biochemists, whereas I am coming from the opposite direction.

Here is what I am doing beyond the requirements for my major:
- Took calculus based freshman physics 1 & 2
- Took cal 3 and diffeq.
- will take pChem I (intro to quantum chemisty stuff) and lab next semester. Plan to take pChem 2 (thermo) and lab 2 if time permits senior year.
- applied to 11 summer research programs next summer and requested to work on NMR projects.

Is there anything else you could recommend to better prepare me to do macromolecular NMR in grad school?
 
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Well, I know thermodynamics and possibly a quantum course would be useful.
 
You should probably contact specific graduate schools to see what their entrance requirements are. Usually, a biology background with a few physics courses tossed in won't meet the requirements.

That being said, research-wise it depends on what you're doing with MR. There are lots of psychology types who do work in fMRI who haven't taken a single physics course because they collaborate with physicists/engineers.
 
Thanks for the advice. Most the the programs I'm considering are quite interdisciplinary and are OK with bio majors as long as they've had pChem. This is because they are under the biochem/life science department, not the physics department.

I am wondering if it would it be worthwhile to take additional physics classes such as "optics and thermal physics" and "Theoretical Methods for Physicists" or if they would be largely irrelevant to what I want to do. I'm not interested in developing new NMR methods per se, but rather using what is already known to solve biological problems.
 
I was a biochem major and I took a graduate level structural biology course that spent half of a quarter covering biomolecular NMR (I am not doing research using NMR however). I was able to understand the material fairly well, although I did have a fairly strong background in mathematics (I did a minor in mathermatics) and physical chemistry (I took courses in thermodynamics, quantum and statistical mechanics).

I would think that a biology major with a good chemistry and math background should, with proper motivation, be able to pick up all of the important aspects of NMR spectroscopy. If I were to suggest a courses, I would suggest physical chemistry courses such as the ones I listed above (I would suggest these to anyone studying biochemistry, esp. structural biology). I also took a course titled "Quantum Electronics and Modern Optics" through the physics department which was also useful. Although it focused on lasers and spectroscopy (what I'm using for my research), the theory for quantum optics is very similar to that used in NMR spectroscopy. Finally, some additional mathematics courses (at the very least linear algebra) would be helpful for understanding some of the methods for data analysis.
 
davidmigl said:
I am wondering if it would it be worthwhile to take additional physics classes such as "optics and thermal physics" and "Theoretical Methods for Physicists" or if they would be largely irrelevant to what I want to do. I'm not interested in developing new NMR methods per se, but rather using what is already known to solve biological problems.

If you're just interested in using NMR as a tool, then probably not, no - learning a little rather than a lot more about the physics would probably just confuse you.

Like Choppy says, work can be done in collaboration. I'm a physicist, doing quite mathematical work in a biological context, for instance. I know a little about the biology behind the data I work with, but not because I have any formal training - I leave all of that to the biologists. I just pick up bits and pieces as I go. And for instance, if I wanted to, I would be welcome to come and take part in some experiments, but I don't have the time for the legal-required training courses :smile:
 
Using NMR to solve the structure of a biological molecule doesn't required heavy theory, but more on the ability to learn new thing fast and a bit of imagination. SS-NMR is at its infancy (still limited by sensitivity), so I could foresee a difficult path. But if you're ready to jump in, go ahead.

As for the theory part, just fundamental quantum mechanics will do. As to your question, Yes. I was a molecular biology major.
 

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