Can a Photon Have a Perfectly Smooth Orbit?

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A photon cannot have a perfectly smooth orbit, as stable orbits around black holes are inherently unstable. The discussion highlights that if a photon's wavelength matches the orbit's dimensions, it may not maintain a stable path. The amplitude of a photon is clarified as not being a spatial displacement, but rather related to the electric field direction. The instability of photon orbits suggests that they would not persist long enough to interfere significantly. Overall, the complexities of photon behavior near black holes indicate that stable orbits are unlikely.
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can a photon have a perfectly smooth orbit?

say for e.g. you have a photon orbiting a point, if its wavelength were to become twice the diameter of its orbit then would the wave not become a replica of the orbit offset by the amplitude?

similarly say the amplitude is the radius of the orbit and the wavelength is the diameter would the wave not travel in a straight line through the centre?
 
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Photon orbits require black holes, otherwise their deflection is not strong enough. I don't think those orbits are stable, but I would have to check. If the orbits are unstable, you don't have to worry about interference - the photon will not live long enough anyway. If the orbits are stable, photons might be long-living for specific frequencies only.
offset by the amplitude? [...] similarly say the amplitude is the radius of the orbit
The amplitude of a photon is not a displacement or length in space.
 
mfb said:
The amplitude of a photon is not a displacement or length in space.

Isn't its displacement in space the principal through which polorization works?
 
No, it is the direction of the electric field. This is NOT a line in space (but some images are misleading, as they plot it like that), the direction is defined at every point in space.
 
mfb said:
Photon orbits require black holes, otherwise their deflection is not strong enough. I don't think those orbits are stable, but I would have to check. If the orbits are unstable, you don't have to worry about interference - the photon will not live long enough anyway. If the orbits are stable, photons might be long-living for specific frequencies only.
The amplitude of a photon is not a displacement or length in space.

Yup, photon orbits around black holes are unstable.
 
My intuition is that you cannot get stable photonic modes around a singularity due to diffraction of the photonic wavefunction.

Claude.
 
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