Can a sheet of paper cut something if thin enough?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around whether a sufficiently thin sheet of paper can cut an object, such as a tomato, when held under tension and used in a guillotine-like manner. Participants explore the conditions under which this might be possible, including the properties of the paper and the nature of the object being cut.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant argues that an extremely thin piece of paper could cut a tomato by slipping between the bonds of its particles, similar to how a sharp knife operates.
  • Another participant counters that paper cannot be made thin enough to achieve this, questioning the understanding of paper's material properties.
  • Several participants reference personal experiences with paper cuts, suggesting that paper can indeed cut skin, albeit under different conditions.
  • There is a suggestion to consider different objects for cutting, such as a blob of razor foam, which leads to further debate about the cutting capabilities of paper against various materials.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of folding the paper, with one suggesting that folding could increase thickness and strength, while another argues that this would reduce cutting effectiveness due to decreased pressure.
  • A participant introduces the idea of using a near atomically thin diamond film, proposing that such a material could theoretically cut but would face practical challenges in maintaining its form during the experiment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the cutting ability of paper, with no consensus reached. Some argue for the possibility under specific conditions, while others firmly disagree, leading to an unresolved debate.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about the properties of paper and the conditions of the cutting experiment, such as the tension applied and the nature of the object being cut. These factors remain unresolved and are subject to interpretation.

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I have been arguing with my friends about this question and we need some educated opinions on it. I think that if a piece of paper in thin enough it can cut something. These are the details:

1. "thin" in this case means extremely thin
2. The paper can not be used to saw or swipe( it would be cutting like a guillotine)
3. you can choose the object (for example a tomato will be reasonable)
4. the piece of paper will have some tension to keep it from bending but not much(about as much tension as you can make by pulling on both ends of a piece of paper)

Example of this experiment would be someone holding a piece of thin paper vertically(with tension) and someone drops a tomato a few feet above the paper. will it crumple or slice the tomato

My argument is that because the paper is so ridiculously thin, that paper will be able to slip between the bonds of the tomatoes particles and without much force. Kind of like how a dull knife requires a lot of force to cut a tomato but a sharp knife requires less force. Can a piece of paper be so sharp as to not require much force(sturdiness) to cut a tomato.
 
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Short answer: No. You cannot make a paper so thin that it slips "in between bonds". What do you think paper is made of?
 
You never had a paper cut? It can cut your skin quite easily if you are not careful.
 
nasu said:
You never had a paper cut? It can cut your skin quite easily if you are not careful.
Read rule 2.
 
esimp18 said:
3. you can choose the object (for example a tomato will be reasonable)
Peeled?
 
I think the rules are a bit too wide. If I can choose the object, I choose a blob of razor foam. Will a static piece of paper cut that? Certainly.
 
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rumborak said:
I choose a blob of razor foam. Will a static piece of paper cut that? Certainly.
Scissors cut paper.
Paper cuts foam.
Foam corrodes scissors.
 
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Can I fold the paper to make it thicker and stronger?
 
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CWatters said:
Can I fold the paper to make it thicker and stronger?
but if its thicker the pressure applied will decrease therefore it will not cut any object.
 
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I think that depends how it's folded.
 
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You can't keep the paper exactly straight and at exact 90 degree angle relative to what you're cutting, so there will be buckling/bending that will ruin the experiment.
 
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I think that one would have to have 'paper' built along the lines of the near atomically thin diamond 'film' that they have managed to create. The film would be technicaly strong enough, hard enough and thin enough to cut, however, being held as the above experiment states, the top edge is very likely to roll and at that point collapse as it quits cutting and takes the weight load and merely further deforming.
 

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