Can a sinlge photon be polarised?

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The discussion centers on the concept of photon polarization, specifically whether a single photon can be polarized and the implications of its polarization state. It explores theoretical aspects of polarization, quantum mechanics, and the behavior of photons in relation to filters and measurements.

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  • Some participants propose that a single photon can be considered a wave packet, which allows it to have a direction for the oscillation of the electric field and thus a polarization.
  • Others argue that the question of polarizing a photon in isolation is complex, noting that if a photon has already undergone polarization, it does not restrict the polarity to a singular degree but rather a range influenced by quantum probabilities.
  • It is mentioned that when a photon passes through a polarizing filter, it acquires the polarization determined by that filter, and only a fraction of the photon may survive if its original polarization differs.
  • Some participants discuss the nature of unpolarized photons, with one suggesting that an unpolarized photon is in a superposition of different states, while another counters that it is a uniform mixture of all possible polarization directions.
  • There is a mention of the concept of "erasing" polarization history, where it is suggested that if no observation is made, the previous polarization states may not affect the outcome after passing through multiple filters.
  • One participant introduces the idea that a fully quantum mechanical description of a photon requires defining a quantum state as a superposition, while another emphasizes that most states in nature are mixed states rather than pure states.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of photon polarization, the implications of passing through filters, and the definitions of unpolarized photons. There is no consensus on these points, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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Limitations include varying interpretations of quantum states, the definitions of polarization, and the implications of measurements on photon behavior. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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Yes. The complication in reconciling the wave properties of light with the particle-like photons is in understanding that a single photon can be considered as a short pulse of a wave, or a wave packet. That means that it still has a direction for the oscillation of the electric field, and hence a polarization.Dave
 
Thank you.
 
Meaning you could only polarize the light in the way it was already polarized?
 
khemist said:
Meaning you could only polarize the light in the way it was already polarized?

The question was regarding the "possibility" of polarising a photon in isolation, not necesarily that when first observing a photon, might it already be polarised.

However, if a photon already has undergone polarisation, note that polarising does not necessarily restrict the polarity to a singular, definite degree, but a range of values, which are affected by quantum probabilities. Also, being a quantum effect, polarised photons can have their polarisation history 'erased' if no observation is made.
 
khemist said:
Meaning you could only polarize the light in the way it was already polarized?
No. If a photon passes a polarizing filter, it acquires the polarization determined by the filter. If that is different from the original polarization, only a fraction survives the filter, though.
 
_PJ_ said:
However, if a photon already has undergone polarisation, note that polarising does not necessarily restrict the polarity to a singular, definite degree, but a range of values, which are affected by quantum probabilities. Also, being a quantum effect, polarised photons can have their polarisation history 'erased' if no observation is made.

I think that the real question is, what does it mean for a photon to _not_ have a polarization? My understanding is that the quantum mechanical description of an unpolarized photon would be one where the quantum state is in a superposition of different states such that an ensemble measurement would yield each polarization 50% of the time. But this is only if you didn't have knowledge of the atom which emitted the photon and didn't know the polarization state originally. I don't know about polarization states being "erased". Not sure what that means. Check out this thesis for a brief description of the superposition state.
http://www.uni-saarland.de/fileadmin/user_upload/Professoren/fr73_ProfEschner/TwoPhotonInterference.pdf


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dentedduck said:
I think that the real question is, what does it mean for a photon to _not_ have a polarization? My understanding is that the quantum mechanical description of an unpolarized photon would be one where the quantum state is in a superposition of different states such that an ensemble measurement would yield each polarization 50% of the time.
No. An unpolarized photon is a uniform mixture of all possible polarization directions - not superposition. It becomes polarized f it passes a polarization filter.
 
Wouldn't that be the semiclassical description? A fully QM description would need to define a quantum state for the photon and that would be a superposition state.
 
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As I know photons only can have circular polarization (left rotating or right rotating) and linear polarization are superposition of being in these state. i.e. when
|Photon> = .5 |LHR> + .5|RHR >
it behaves like linearly polarized.
That's why when a molecule emits photon, the electron (which moves from excited state to lower energy state) loses or obtains angular momentum (difference between excited state and ground state's angular momentum).
 
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dentedduck said:
Wouldn't that be the semiclassical description? A fully QM description would need to define a quantum state for the photon and that would be a superposition state.

QM describes pure states by superpositions and mixed states by mixtures (of superpositions). Most states occurring in Nature are mixed states - pure states usually require special preparation.
 
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dentedduck said:
I don't know about polarization states being "erased". Not sure what that means.

The states aren't erased, the quantum history is erased.

Essentially, this claims that where there may be multiple filters in the path of a photon, regardless of assumed 'previous' polarisation, and provided no decoherence occurs through observation until after the photon ought to have passed through ALL filters, only the latter filter will affect the probability of polarisation states, as if any previous filters were simply not applied.

Read up on "Quantum Eraser", although the experiment was tytpically performed as the DOuble-Slit experiment, producing interference patterns rather than examining the polarisation.
 

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