Can a Thief Escape a Building Using a Rope?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a 75 kg thief attempting to escape a building using a rope that can support a maximum weight of 58 kg. Participants explore the implications of acceleration and tension in the context of the thief's escape strategy.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants analyze the forces acting on the thief, including weight and tension, while questioning the appropriateness of upward versus downward acceleration for escape.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the relationship between acceleration and tension in the rope. Some express confusion over the implications of different acceleration values, while others attempt to clarify the conditions under which the rope would support the thief's weight.

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There is a lack of consensus on the thief's escape strategy, with differing views on whether he should accelerate upwards or downwards. The problem also raises questions about the limits of the rope's support under various acceleration scenarios.

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Homework Statement


A 75 kg thief wants to escape a building. He has a rope that supports 58kg how can he escape?

Homework Equations


f=ma

The Attempt at a Solution


75kg*g = W
58kg*g = T
T - W = 75kg*a
a = (t-w)/m
If he applies a acceleration upwards at 2.2 m/s^2 he would survive.
When i do the calculation I get a negative number, which would mean he would be applying a acceleration downwards which doesn't make sense. Why is that?
In my equation T is positive
 
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brycenrg said:

Homework Statement


A 75 kg thief wants to escape a building. He has a rope that supports 58kg how can he escape?

Homework Equations


f=ma

The Attempt at a Solution


75kg*g = W
58kg*g = T
T - W = 75kg*a
a = (t-w)/m
If he applies a acceleration upwards at 2.2 m/s^2 he would survive.
When i do the calculation I get a negative number, which would mean he would be applying a acceleration downwards which doesn't make sense. Why is that?
In my equation T is positive
Why would he want to climb upward to get out of a building? Shouldn't he lower himself down from the building?
 
Mark44 said:
Why would he want to climb upward to get out of a building? Shouldn't he lower himself down from the building?
That makes sense he has to accell downwards to go. But what it means is if he accels downwards more that 2.2 then the rope wouldn't support him right?
 
brycenrg said:
That makes sense he has to accell downwards to go. But what it means is if he accels downwards more that 2.2 then the rope wouldn't support him right?
I think you are confused. If he was just hanging from the rope, with no acceleration, the rope would break, right? If he slid down the rope, just barely hanging onto it (which would burn his hands), he would be acclerating at just under ##9.8 \frac m {sec^2}##. Would the rope break then?
 
Mark44 said:
I think you are confused. If he was just hanging from the rope, with no acceleration, the rope would break, right? If he slid down the rope, just barely hanging onto it (which would burn his hands), he would be acclerating at just under ##9.8 \frac m {sec^2}##. Would the rope break then?
I am, I want to say if he used friction to slow him down to just = to T and under that force he would be ok. Which is under 2.2m/s^2.
But it seems like your saying he has to be going faster than gravity, which doesn't make sense to me
 
brycenrg said:
I am, I want to say if he used friction to slow him down to just = to T and under that force he would be ok. Which is under 2.2m/s^2.
But it seems like your saying he has to be going faster than gravity, which doesn't make sense to me
Yes, it doesn't make sense, and that isn't what I was saying, either.

The acceleration due to gravity is acting downward. What is the tension on the rope if his downward acceleration, relative to the fixed rope, is less than 2.2 m/sec^2? What's the tension on the rope if his downward acceleration, again relative to the fixed rope, is more than 2.2 m/sec^2? You're getting bogged down in the minutiae of the problem and are missing the bigger picture.
 

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