What is the maximum tension in the makeshift rope for a jail escape attempt?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a jail escape scenario where a person must lower themselves using a makeshift rope. The subject area includes dynamics and forces, particularly focusing on tension, acceleration, and free body diagrams.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the need to apply Newton's laws and free body diagrams to analyze the forces acting on the person. There is confusion regarding the correct use of mass and the relationship between tension and acceleration. Questions arise about how to isolate variables and the implications of the rope's maximum tension limit.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of free body diagrams and the need to consider the maximum tension the rope can withstand. However, there is no explicit consensus on the next steps or the correct approach to take.

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Participants note that the makeshift rope can only support a mass of 50 kg, which introduces constraints on the calculations. There is also mention of a lack of support from the teacher, contributing to the confusion among participants.

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A 75 kg petty third wants to escape from a third story jail window. Unfortunately, a makeshift rope of sheets tied together can support a mass of only 50 kg. What is the minimal acceleration with which the thief must lower himself so he may use the "rope" without breaking it?

the variables i got were:
m=75 kg
a= -9.80m/s^2
v1=0

i then tried to use the formula for the thief, f=ma, isolated for a, a=f/m and substitued it into the rops max acceraltion limit, which formula is f=ma

i then got f(thief)/m(thief)= f(rope)/m, and i don't really know where to continue from there, because the thief must accelerate at a slower rate than what gravity plans for him, and must be a lower acceleration than 50 kg would normally fall right? please help!o:)
 
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You must draw free body diagrams to designate all forces acting on the person, then apply Newton's laws. Newton 2 is not F=ma, its F_net =ma , or, alternatively, sum of all forces = ma. What forces act on the man ? What's the net force acting on him? Then use Newton 2 to find his required minimum acceleration.
 
but I'm confused on whether or not to use that mans mass, 75 kg, if I draw a free body diagram then fnet=fg-fn, but fnet =ma, so I isolate for a? my teacher doesn't really help me out very much..
 
777lov3r said:
but I'm confused on whether or not to use that mans mass, 75 kg, if I draw a free body diagram then fnet=fg-fn, but fnet =ma, so I isolate for a? my teacher doesn't really help me out very much..
Yes, you must use the man's mass and weight in the equation. Your equation is correct, (although what you call fn is the allowable tension force in the cable, you should just call it 'T').. Once you know 'fg', solve for 'a' by isolating it.
 
oooohh, so we have to find his minimal acceleration , and the tension on the rope in order for it not to break , so it would be a=(fg-ft)/m?but isn't tension unkown?
 
It is known, indirectly. It is stated that the sheet can only hold a mass of 50 kg (at rest). So what is the maximum tension in the cable just before it breaks?
 

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