Can a threaded tapped joint function as a friction joint?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mechanics of a threaded tapped joint and its potential to function as a friction joint. Participants explore the conditions under which a threaded joint can prevent slip and whether shear forces act on the threaded rod in such configurations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a setup with a tapped hole and a threaded rod, questioning if sufficient clamping force can prevent slip and whether shear forces will act on the rod.
  • Another participant notes that the normal force in a bolted joint depends on the tightness, which is limited by the yield strength of the bolt, applicable to bolts, screws, or studs.
  • A participant poses a scenario with two threaded fasteners, asking if the combined friction forces can prevent slipping when subjected to shear forces.
  • Another participant suggests that a free body diagram would be beneficial for analyzing the forces involved.
  • One participant reiterates the scenario with two fasteners, questioning the conditions under which they can prevent slipping based on their individual contributions to the friction force.
  • A participant raises the issue of unequal shear forces acting on two fasteners, asking how the friction forces relate to the shear forces in this case.
  • Another participant proposes that for two fasteners under unequal shear forces, the sum of their friction forces must exceed the total shear forces to prevent slipping, while also suggesting conditions for each fastener individually.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanics of friction joints and the conditions necessary to prevent slipping, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the yield strength of materials, the distribution of shear forces, and the effects of deformation on the joint are not fully explored, leaving open questions about the applicability of the discussed models.

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I have a tapped hole. A threaded rod goes through the hole. A single nut secures the threaded rod in position. Only one plate is threaded. Note the clearance hole in the top plate. A picture is attached.

A friction joint in a bolt occurs when the clamping force creates a normal force. This normal force is designed to be greater than the friction force between the plates. In this way a bolt does not experience any shear load.

I want to know whether or not a threaded tapped joint can be a friction joint. Specifically, if the clamping force is large enough to prevent slip, then will any part of the threaded rod experience shear?

Thanks.
 

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The normal force only depends on the tightness of the bolted joint and the maximum tightness of the bolted joint depends on the yield strength of the bolt. All of this applies whether it is a bolt, a screw or a stud.

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What if there are two threaded fasteners and they are not near each other, each contributing F = uN and each fastener is subjected to a shear force of P/2.
Then does uN > P/2 or does 2uN > P/2 to prevent slipping?
 
As usual, drawing a free body diagram is the best first step
 
9988776655 said:
What if there are two threaded fasteners and they are not near each other, each contributing F = uN and each fastener is subjected to a shear force of P/2.
Then does uN > P/2 or does 2uN > P/2 to prevent slipping?

With the way you chose your words, uN > P/2.
 
What do we do when there is an unequal shear force? eg the shear force on fastener 1 is P and the shear force on fastener 2 is J. Let's assume P > J. Let's assume two fasteners. Then does (uN1 + uN2) > (P/2 + J/2) to prevent slipping? or is it just uN1 > P/2 as before
 
uN1 + uN2 > P + J

Ideally (assuming the parts can deform such that some «local» slipping can occur):

uN1 > P
uN2 > J
 

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