Can a vacuum balloon float like a helium balloon?

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A vacuum balloon can theoretically float like a helium balloon if constructed with a material that is both strong and light enough to contain the vacuum. The density of air at sea level is 1.22521 kg/m³, and the pressure vessel must be lighter than air to achieve buoyancy. Current materials, such as aluminum and beryllium, present challenges due to their inability to maintain a vacuum at the required thickness. Engineering solutions may exist, but they are complex and expensive, making practical implementation currently unfeasible.

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  • #31
NascentOxygen said:
Sure. That would work, provided you keep it hot enough. :smile:

You're talking about a hot air balloon, aren't you? :biggrin:
 
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bbbeard said:
What criterion are you using for buckling?

In this case I use the classical Zoelly formula for thin spherical shell buckling (see my patent application or http://books.google.com/books?id=6P...age&q=zoelly spherical shell buckling&f=false , equation 5.2 .

bbbeard said:
And why do you think that equation is applicable to Kevlar, which is an anisotropic composite?

Because even if you substitute the kevlar compression modulus for the stiffest direction (say, 76 GPa; you can even substitute the value of the kevlar fiber tensile modulus - about 180 GPa) in the Zoelly formula, the critical pressure will be much less than the atmospheric pressure for radius of curvature R=6 m and the shell thickness h=0.9 mm.
 
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bbbeard said:
chrisbaird said:
The density of air at sea level at STP is 1.25 g/L.
The density of pure nitrogen gas (N2) at STP is 1.29 g/L

I think you need to double-check those densities -- they are obviously not at the same T and P.
Yes, chrisbaird has his figures wrong way round.

air at STP 1.293g/L
N2 at STP 1.2506g/L
He at STP 0.1785g/L
 
  • #34
NascentOxygen said:
Yes, chrisbaird has his figures wrong way round.

air at STP 1.293g/L
N2 at STP 1.2506g/L
He at STP 0.1785g/L

So, a one litre balloon of N would have to have materials weighing less than ... 42g.
 
  • #35
NascentOxygen said:
Yes, chrisbaird has his figures wrong way round.

air at STP 1.293g/L
N2 at STP 1.2506g/L
He at STP 0.1785g/L

Oops. That's why I'm a theorist. I just lifted these numbers (not so carefully) from wikipedia. The point is that it's all about densities and as air is mostly nitrogen, it it not much different from pure nitrogen as compared to Helium.
 

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