Can an Equilateral Triangle be Formed with Rational Vertices on the X-Axis?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether an equilateral triangle can be formed with vertices that have rational coordinates on the x-axis. Participants explore various mathematical approaches and reasoning related to this geometric problem.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that if all vertices of triangle ABC are rational, then the triangle cannot be equilateral, suggesting a proof based on the properties of rational numbers.
  • Another participant proposes a method involving a linear transformation of rotation to demonstrate that the coordinates of the vertices lead to a contradiction involving the irrational number $\sqrt{3}$.
  • A different approach is introduced where two points are fixed on the x-axis, and the third point is positioned at a rational coordinate, leading to the conclusion that a certain value cannot be rational if the triangle is equilateral, thus negating the possibility without the need for rotation.
  • One participant expresses appreciation for another's explanation, indicating that the discussion is yielding insights and alternative perspectives on the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present differing methods and reasoning, and there is no consensus on a single approach or conclusion regarding the possibility of forming an equilateral triangle with rational vertices on the x-axis. Multiple competing views remain.

Contextual Notes

Some arguments depend on specific assumptions about the nature of rational and irrational numbers, and the discussion does not resolve the implications of these assumptions on the overall problem.

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in a plane point is said to be rational if both x and y co-ordinates are rational. Show that if in a $\triangle$ ABC all the vericles A , B, c are rational then $\triangle$ cannot be equilateral
 
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[sp]Suppose that $ABC$ is an equilateral triangle whose vertices are all rational. By translating the axes through rational distances, we may assume that $C$ is at the origin. Let $A$ be the point $(x,y)$ and $B$ be the point $(u,v)$, where $x,y,u,v$ are all rational. The linear transformation of rotation through $\pi/3$ takes $A$ to $B$. But this transformation is given by the matrix $\begin{bmatrix} \cos(\pi/3) & -\sin(\pi/3) \\ \sin(\pi/3) & \cos(\pi/3) \end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix} \frac12 & -\frac{\sqrt3}2 \\ \frac{\sqrt3}2 & \frac12 \end{bmatrix}.$ It follows that $\begin{bmatrix} u \\ v \end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix} \frac12 & -\frac{\sqrt3}2 \\ \frac{\sqrt3}2 & \frac12 \end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix} x \\ y \end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix} \frac12 x -\frac{\sqrt3}2y \\ \frac{\sqrt3}2 x + \frac12y \end{bmatrix},$ so that $u = \frac12 x -\frac{\sqrt3}2y$. But then $\sqrt3 = \frac{x-2u}y$ – a contradiction since the right side is rational and the left side is not. Therefore no such triangle can exist.[/sp]
 
great answer by Opalg. This gives me another insight of the solution

my solution

Without loss of generality we can chose the co-ordinates ( we can make this by proper shift of co-ordinates) as A= (0,0), B= (x,y), C=(a,b) with x y
a and b being rationalNow slope of AB = $\frac{y}{x}$ is rational

Slope of AC = $\frac{b}{a}$ is rationalSo $\tan\angle (BAC) = \frac{\frac{y}{x} –\frac{b}{a}} {1 + \frac{by}{ax}}$ which is rational as both numerator and denominator are rational

As $\tan \, 60^0 = \sqrt(3)$ is irrational so $\angle (BAC)$ cannot be $60^0$ as tan of the angle is rational.

so the triangle cannot be equilateral

Hence proved
 
kaliprasad said:
in a plane point is said to be rational if both x and y co-ordinates are rational. Show that if in a $\triangle$ ABC all the vericles A , B, c are rational then $\triangle$ cannot be equilateral
if $\triangle ABC$ is equilateral with side length a
let x and y coordinates of points being :$A(0,0),B(a,0),C(\frac{a}{2},b)$
(here $a,b$ are all rational)
the area of $\triangle ABC=\dfrac {\sqrt 3a^2}{4}=\dfrac {ab}{2}$
$\therefore b=\dfrac {\sqrt 3a}{2}$ is not rational
and we conclude that $\triangle ABC$ cannot be equilateral
 
Albert said:
if $\triangle ABC$ is equilateral with side length a
let x and y coordinates of points being :$A(0,0),B(a,0),C(\frac{a}{2},b)$
(here $a,b$ are all rational)
the area of $\triangle ABC=\dfrac {\sqrt 3a^2}{4}=\dfrac {ab}{2}$
$\therefore b=\dfrac {\sqrt 3a}{2}$ is not rational
and we conclude that $\triangle ABC$ cannot be equilateral

B(a,0) does not cover all cases of B for example B=(1,1) by rotation cannot be a rational point in x-axis
 
we fix point A and B on the x axis,and point C(a/2 ,b)
(here a,b rational) and show that b cannot be rational
if the triangle is equilateral
so we don't even have to rotate
 

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