Can an object that is producing radiation, have an acceleration but not move

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The discussion centers around the question of whether an object that is producing radiation can have acceleration without movement. Participants explore concepts related to motion, reference frames, and the conditions under which radiation is produced by accelerating particles.

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  • One participant argues that an accelerating particle must be moving, suggesting that both moving and accelerating particles produce radiation.
  • Another participant introduces the idea that motion is frame dependent, stating that in an accelerating reference frame, a particle can have acceleration without being perceived as moving.
  • A later reply questions whether the frame of reference argument holds if the particle is in a vacuum, and whether spinning affects the definition of movement.
  • Another participant clarifies that while a particle can be moving without accelerating, only a net acceleration of charge produces radiation, providing examples of different scenarios involving charged and neutral particles.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between acceleration and movement, with no consensus reached on the conditions under which radiation is produced by accelerating particles.

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Participants discuss the implications of different reference frames and the specific conditions under which radiation is produced, highlighting the complexity of the topic without resolving the underlying questions.

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Can an object that is producing radiation, have an acceleration but not move...

Hi,

I took a quiz today and one question was ,

"Which of these would produce radiation"
a) a moving particle
b) accelerating particle
c) DC current
d) a magnetic field (can't remember this)


The answer is B. But, I would argue that an accelerating particle must be moving hence the answer would be A and B. Was told no not true and the answer is B.


How is it possible for a particle to accelerate and not be moving in ℝ^3

position f during time t is

f(t) = location at time t
f'(t) = velocity
f''(t) = acceleration >> which produces radiation

if f'(t) = 0 or a, where a is a constant then then f''(t) = 0, so no radiation is produced if f'(t) = 0 or a.

But... f''(t) =/= 0 => f'(t) = anti derivative f''(t)=> f'(t) =/= 0 hence it is moving

Can anyone think of an example where particle in space has an acceleration not equal to 0, but does not have any movement?
 
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Motion is always frame dependent.

If you are in a reference frame accelerating along with the particle, then the particle is not moving in your reference frame.

We usually don't like to use accelerating reference frames because inertial reference frames are easy to deal with (and SR prohibits accelerating reference frames from being global like inertial ones), but they are not invalid frames of reference.

For example. I would say that me sitting in my chair is "not moving". But I am accelerating along with all the other objects on the Earth's surface due to both the rotation of the Earth, and the orbit of the Earth. It's simply that I am in a non-inertial reference frame.
 


Matterwave said:
Motion is always frame dependent.

If you are in a reference frame accelerating along with the particle, then the particle is not moving in your reference frame.

We usually don't like to use accelerating reference frames because inertial reference frames are easy to deal with (and SR prohibits accelerating reference frames from being global like inertial ones), but they are not invalid frames of reference.

For example. I would say that me sitting in my chair is "not moving". But I am accelerating along with all the other objects on the Earth's surface due to both the rotation of the Earth, and the orbit of the Earth. It's simply that I am in a non-inertial reference frame.

If the particle was said to be in a vacuum would the frame of reference argument still hold?

What about if the particle is spinning would it still be moving?
 


blastoise said:
Hi,

I took a quiz today and one question was ,

"Which of these would produce radiation"
a) a moving particle
b) accelerating particle
c) DC current
d) a magnetic field (can't remember this)

The answer is B. But, I would argue that an accelerating particle must be moving hence the answer would be A and B. Was told no not true and the answer is B.

How is it possible for a particle to accelerate and not be moving
You're missing the point. A particle can be moving but not accelerating. In that case it would not produce radiation. The question could be made clearer: "which will necessarily produce radiation", whereas you're reading it as "which could produce radiation".

However, the answer given is still not right. Only a net acceleration of charge will produce radiation.
Accelerating isolated proton or electron: yes.
Accelerating neutral atom or molecule: no.
Internally vibrating N2 or O2 molecule: no.
Internally vibrating electrovalent bond: yes.
Internally vibrating polar molecule (like CO2, H2O): yes.
DC: no.
AC: yes.
Etc.
 

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