Can Atoms & Baryons Exist Inside a Black Hole?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the existence of atoms and baryons inside a black hole, exploring theoretical implications of event horizons and particle interactions within such extreme environments. Participants examine the nature of interactions among particles as they approach the singularity and the consequences for composite objects like atoms.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that inside a black hole, matter will dissociate into isolated particles due to the inability of components to interact across multiple event horizons.
  • Another participant challenges this view, asserting that while nothing is stationary inside a black hole, atoms and their constituents can still interact as they fall towards the singularity.
  • There is a correction regarding the interpretation of the radial coordinate inside the event horizon, with one participant indicating that the coordinate should decrease rather than increase.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the nature of interactions within a black hole, with no consensus reached on whether atoms and baryons can exist or interact in that environment.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on different interpretations of the behavior of particles and coordinates inside a black hole, leading to unresolved questions about the implications of these interpretations for the existence of composite objects.

harrylentil
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In the way I naively imagine a black hole's interior there are event horizons all the way down, and any material object of whatever size will straddle many event horizons. So, with both atoms and baryons, there cannot be any interaction between their components. Consequently, at the moment of passage through the outermost event horizon of the black hole, matter will dissociate into isolated particles. I can see a problem with the idea of isolated quarks, but the QCD model of quark confinement does rely on interactions that seem to me banned in this place.

I reason like this: at any location inside the black hole a photon or gluon, or anything else, can only move in directions that take it closer to the singularity. Particles in an atom need to interact in all directions in order to behave as though they experience the kind of binding that results in a composite object. That rules out the existence of composite objects.
 
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harrylentil said:
In the way I naively imagine a black hole's interior there are event horizons all the way down, and any material object of whatever size will straddle many event horizons.
Then get rid of that imagination. There is only one event horizon. Your implication that the ##r## coordinate can only increase once you are inside the event horizon is correct. However, it should be noted that it does not mean what you probably think it means, the ##r## coordinate is a time-coordinate inside the event horizon.

harrylentil said:
So, with both atoms and baryons, there cannot be any interaction between their components.
This is not correct. There will be nothing stationary inside the black hole, but this does not prevent atoms and their constituents from interacting - they are all falling together! You do not stop them from interacting any more than particles going forward in time stops them from interacting.

harrylentil said:
Consequently, at the moment of passage through the outermost event horizon of the black hole, matter will dissociate into isolated particles.
This is therefore not correct.
 
Orodruin said:
the rrr coordinate can only increase once you are inside the event horizon

I think you mean "decrease".
 
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PeterDonis said:
I think you mean "decrease".
Yup.
 

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