Can Charged Particles in a Magnetic Field Create Lift Like a Balloon?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of whether charged particles in a magnetic field can create lift similar to that of a balloon filled with hot air or helium. Participants explore the relationship between charged particles, electric fields, and magnetic fields, as well as the potential for creating lift through these mechanisms.

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  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the feasibility of charged particles acting like hot air or helium in a magnetic field, suggesting that a moving electric charge has an associated magnetic field but does not contain charged particles.
  • Another participant introduces the idea of plasma as a potential related concept, although they express skepticism about its relevance to the original question.
  • A different perspective is offered regarding the charging of air inside a balloon, proposing that charging could lead to a flow of charged air out of the balloon, which might reduce air pressure and volume, but ultimately concludes that this does not provide a solution to the original question.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the possibility of charged particles creating lift in a magnetic field. There is no consensus, and the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing ideas presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the interactions between electric charges, magnetic fields, and the behavior of gases, with some assumptions about the nature of charged particles and their effects remaining unexamined.

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Hello there all, I'm a bit of a noob when it comes to a couple of these subjects but i was wondering if there is a particle of some sort that could be energized with an electrical charge and when this electrical charge passes through these particles it could make them act like hot air or helium but instead of a balloon containing these charged particles it's a magnetic field which would cause lift perhaps? I'm not sure, that is why i came here can anybody help me?
 
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I don't think so unless there might be some exotic example.

a particle of some sort that could be energized with an electrical charge

This means adding or removing electrons...

...this electrical charge passes through these particles it could make them act like hot air or helium but instead of a balloon containing these charged particles it's a magnetic field

a moving electric charge always has an associated magnetic field...like around a current carrying conductor...but the magnetic field does not in general "contain charged particles" anymore than does the magnetic field of a magnet.

consider lightning: it does a lot of stuff, like ionizing air into charged particles, has a magnetic field associated with the flow of charge, creates sound (thunder, a sonic phenomena)...but if I understand your posted description, doesn't provide THAT.
 
After I posted my reply , I wondered if aspects of a plasma might relate to your question:
(I don't think so, but maybe it will give your some insights.)

See for yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_(physics )
 
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Just batting around an idea, if one had a sharpened needle well inside a balloon envelope and charged it strongly, you would put charge into the air inside, and since like charges repel, you would see a tiny flow of charged air out of the balloon (assuming it was open at the bottom), however the resulting reduced air pressure inside would cause a volume reduction in the balloon.

So, that doesn't help.

LOL, interesting question.
 

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