Can color be used for measuring density?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the potential relationship between the color of liquids and their density. Participants consider various contexts, including specific colored solutions, general principles, and exceptions like water and mercury.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that for specific colored solutions, there may be a relationship between color and concentration, which could allow for inferring density with proper calibration.
  • Others argue that there is no general link between color and density, citing examples like water, which does not change color with temperature despite changes in density.
  • A participant mentions trends in the properties of halogens, noting that as density increases, color tends to darken, but questions whether this holds true in the liquid state.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of optical density in relation to measuring turbidity and suggests that color can play a role in specific applications, particularly in biochemical techniques.
  • Some participants emphasize that exceptions exist, such as water and mercury, which do not conform to the proposed rules about color and density.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not reach a consensus. There are multiple competing views regarding the relationship between color and density, with some asserting that specific cases may exist while others maintain that no general correlation is valid.

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Limitations include the dependence on specific conditions, such as the type of liquid and its state, as well as unresolved questions about the generalizability of observed trends.

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I am wondering if can the colour of a liquid be related to its density?
 
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Not simply. Otherwise liquids would change colour when heated. It has more to do with the structure of the electron orbitals of the molecules of the liquid.
 
Isolde Wilde said:
I am wondering if can the colour of a liquid be related to its density?

This can't possibly come out of nowhere. What makes you think color has anything to do with a liquid's density?

Zz.
 
For specific colored solutions, there is a relation between color and concentration, so one could infer the density of the result (with proper calibration).

But in general, as the others have said, there is no link between the two.
 
Amongst other things you could look at trends in the properties of the elements. With the halogens, for example, as you move down the group the densities increase and the colours get darker. But are there similar trends when all the halogens are in the liquid state? Google should help.
 
Dadface said:
Amongst other things you could look at trends in the properties of the elements. With the halogens, for example, as you move down the group the densities increase and the colours get darker. But are there similar trends when all the halogens are in the liquid state? Google should help.

But even if this is true, it isn't universal, as exemplified by water at various temperatures. We certainly know that it's volume changes (and thus its density) from 0 C all the way to 100 C. Yet, its "color" does not change!

So whatever principle or rules that one comes up with is spectacularly falsified by water!

Zz.
 
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DrClaude said:
For specific colored solutions, there is a relation between color and concentration, so one could infer the density of the result (with proper calibration).

But in general, as the others have said, there is no link between the two.

This is important to emphasize. Across multiple different liquids, this wouldn't work, but for one specific liquid, it could depending on the situation.

A similar idea is used with gases quite frequently in a process called laser-induced fluorescence. It's not a one-to-one comparison, but the idea is that you either have a suitable gas already or you seed the gas with small quantity of another gas that fluoresces when exposed to a specific wavelength of light, then expose it to that wavelength with a laser. The brightness of the fluorescence can be correlated to density, concentration, temperature, and sometimes other quantities depending on the assumptions made and the experimental setup.
 
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ZapperZ said:
But even if this is true, it isn't universal, as exemplified by water at various temperatures. We certainly know that it's volume changes (and thus its density) from 0 C all the way to 100 C. Yet, its "color" does not change!

So whatever principle or rules that one comes up with is spectacularly falsified by water!

Zz.
I have no idea at all whether there is a relationship between liquid density and colour but I think it's an interesting project to do some research on. The colour of water might not seem to change with temperature but its refractive index does.
https://www.osapublishing.org/josa/viewmedia.cfm?uri=josa-63-3-318
 
ZapperZ said:
So whatever principle or rules that one comes up with is spectacularly falsified by water!
I agree regarding the rule proposed here, but water is always the exception anyway:
http://www.webexhibits.org/causesofcolor/5B.html
 
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Isolde Wilde said:
I am wondering if can the colour of a liquid be related to its density?
Ive read all the comments and there has been no mention of optical density specifically although Dr Claude may have had this in mind in post #4.
We use to use this to see how turbid a liquor was, a vial was placed in a spectrophotometer and one could glean calculate various things from the readings.
Colour (of a sort) came into it when we were checking dye liquor but from memory these were not true solutions although they were coloured with soluble reactive dyes.
There are more sophisticated applications for measurements in biochemical and microbiological techniques.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/biochemistry-genetics-and-molecular-biology/optical-density
 
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A.T. said:
I agree regarding the rule proposed here, but water is always the exception anyway:
http://www.webexhibits.org/causesofcolor/5B.html

It isn't. Look at mercury that was used for a long time in thermometers. Do you see it changing colors as it expands or contracts with varying temperatures?

Zz.
 
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ZapperZ said:
It isn't. Look at mercury that was used for a long time in thermometers. Do you see it changing colors as it expands or contracts with varying temperatures?
As I said, I agree about the colors.
 

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