# Can Dreams Predict Future?

#### hypnagogue

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loseyourname said:
Our future doesn't yet exist within our own reference frame. Good enough?
It doesn't yet exist, but it exists in a greater context. That opens the logical possibility of premonition.

#### mikesvenson

ok all, i have something for you here. I have indeed seen the future through REPEATED dreams. Then seen the manifestation of it in my 'present'.

If I had $1200 in a van, I'd be real surprised if I didn't dream about it being stolen. #### mikesvenson russ_watters said: If I had$1200 in a van, I'd be real surprised if I didn't dream about it being stolen.

good point, although i see the coincidences in this incident to profound to be dismissed by such an optimistically obviouse explanation. As you read, i dreamt about saving the money at the last minute as the van was being broken into. (in 2 seperate dreams). Ironically, the van was broken into, and the money was saved. Perhaps the dream was a reminder for my subconsiouse(which was seeing the future instances that were to arrive) to find a reason to take the money out of the van the day of the break-in. The money then was taken out of the van for completely unrelated reasons. I didnt see the break-in coming at the least bit, since i dismissed the dreams as nothing, untill that is, the dream actually came true.

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#### olde drunk

i have not read this thread, so i apologize if this has been offered previously.

if, time only exists in our physical world and our dreams are timeless (without time). why wouldn't we be able to visit both the future and past??

i suspect that we 'educated' people have lost this aspect of our consciousness. so many 'ignorant' cultures still believe and work with their dreams rather well.

love&peace,
olde drunk

#### loseyourname

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Whatcha talkin' about, drunk? Do you mean that since you can have a dream in which days pass in the dream, when in reality, it's only been a couple of hours, that when you dream, your consciousness is escaping time. Ignoring the fact that nothing in either science or experience can really tell us whether or not that is possible or what the consequences would be, I don't see how you would then be able to re-enter time at a later date, then come back out and re-enter at the original earlier date. That implies that all of time already exists, which would fly in the face of your other ideas regarding free will. Now I know you've postulated that there are infinite possible futures, and we simply choose which one we will move into when we take any action, but if this is the case, and your consciousness simply splipped into one of these futures while you were dreaming, your prognostication would only have a 1 in infinity chance of being correct.

By the way, hyp, the mentor in the Relativity forum says you're off your rocker for suggesting that the relativity of simultaneity allows for prognostication. Maybe if one of you is moving close to the speed of light, you can see a couple of seconds into someone's future. You wouldn't be able to communicate what you saw, but it's interesting anyway.

#### olde drunk

loseyourname said:
Whatcha talkin' about, drunk? Do you mean that since you can have a dream in which days pass in the dream, when in reality, it's only been a couple of hours, that when you dream, your consciousness is escaping time. Ignoring the fact that nothing in either science or experience can really tell us whether or not that is possible or what the consequences would be, I don't see how you would then be able to re-enter time at a later date, then come back out and re-enter at the original earlier date. That implies that all of time already exists, which would fly in the face of your other ideas regarding free will. Now I know you've postulated that there are infinite possible futures, and we simply choose which one we will move into when we take any action, but if this is the case, and your consciousness simply splipped into one of these futures while you were dreaming, your prognostication would only have a 1 in infinity chance of being correct.

By the way, hyp, the mentor in the Relativity forum says you're off your rocker for suggesting that the relativity of simultaneity allows for prognostication. Maybe if one of you is moving close to the speed of light, you can see a couple of seconds into someone's future. You wouldn't be able to communicate what you saw, but it's interesting anyway.
sigh, poor me. i did not know that 'time' existed for the entire universe, including my sub-conscious and spritual self. i am such a dummy!

i'll continue in my ignorance and believe that my sub-conscious exists in a non-linear enviorment that does not include time. i'll repeat what i said in another thread - (past, present, future)

if the past, present and future are interdependent and exist as probabilities the moment i experience is a function of the expectations and/or desires for that moment. all future probabilities are out there and valid. it is up to me to choose which probability i wish to actualize and experience.

now, i suspect that this is a harmonious agreement tween my conscious, un-concious and spiritual self. i am not suggesting that i can simply say that i will be able to jump six feet high tomorrow and have that desire realized.

within the process of becoming, we have chosen the circumstances for our life to best provide us with the experience that we wanted. these decisions were made by our counsciouness, not our conscious mind. we use our conscious mind to narrow the focus of our attention to gain understanding of our experience. we use linear experience to make understanding easier.

why can't my soul, or whatever I am, reach into my psyche and present a dream to help me understand and/or better deal with my experiences?? is a dream of a past event more legitimate than a dream of future? can that dream reach back and change a past event??

i am not a dream researcher or devote'. i was offering my opinion that i believe that we do dream in a timeless enviornment and, IMHO, we do visit future events. these dreams help motivate and encourage our efforts to make dreams come true.

love&peace,
olde drunk

#### loseyourname

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Okay, you didn't address any of what I said. I'm not trying to be combative here, I just want to establish whether or not your system is consistent.

If what you're saying is that your unconscious self, or your soul or whatever it is, can see all of the past, present, and future at once, that is not denying the existence of time. Time must exist in order for there to be a past, present, and future. What you really seem to be saying is that your soul does not experience the passage of time. This, however, would deny the possibility of change, and hence any kind of growth, or really, any kind of experience at all. Experience requires the passage of time. It seems a little odd to speak of there being two "yous," one that exists in time and one that does not. How could a separate you that exists outside of time communicate with the you that exists in our familiar four dimenions? Any action requires a change in state, which requires time, which you have said your soul does not experience.

#### olde drunk

the aspect of me that is human requires time to process data. there is also an eternal aspect of myself that exists in a timeless universe; probably, non physical.

it would get messy if we tried to define our greater reality as it is beyond our total comprehension. can energy experience time? or does it experience different states? the chair i am sitting on is energy, condensed or coalesced energy.

we are one, with many aspects or lives. i view my greater self as a tree with each branch or even each leaf as an incarnation in this or any world. this greater self is an energy essence learning to master it's powers and abilities.

hey, look, no one has been able to explain to a scientific certainty what is really happening. i have pieced together this view because it works for me. fortunately, as i move along this line of thinking more and more of reality makes more sense to me. my dreams are limited and i do not spend much time sorting them or reaching for meaning.

i do however, like the idea that we are capable of so much more than we practice. look at what conventional medicine has done to OD's or is it DO's. they had a discipline that worked and it has been lost since they have been absorbed into the AMA definition of medicine. they did this to be accepted by government - business authorities.

my views promote a limitless creative enviornment for myself. (subject to the self-imposed limits for this human experience). now i will pay a little more attention to my dreams to see if i can add an anecdote to this thread.

love&peace,
olde drunk

#### Ireth2690

well I am pleased to hear that you can see the future. I can too. Please e-mail me (at Ireth2690@yahoo.com) If you can I would like to talk to you.

#### Yggdrasil

One dream about how my entire family will die came true. Have any of you heard of the 9/11 attacks?

#### ChaosTheory

I was searching for psychic/clairvoyant stuff, and here I am. Odd that I'm also a M.E. and possibly Physics major. :)

Anyway, here's a link that I just discovered, which may give believers and non-believers something to check out.

http://www.ode.nl/scripts/article.php?aID=3773

Enjoy :)

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#### Imparcticle

it would get messy if we tried to define our greater reality as it is beyond our total comprehension. can energy experience time? or does it experience different states? the chair i am sitting on is energy, condensed or coalesced energy.
Energy, and everything else in the universe is subject to time. In order to experience anything, there must be a certain time frame in which we experience it.

The day before my dad died, my mom had a dream that his time had come. He'd had a heart attack 2 weeks before, and was getting better (so the doctors said). Then one night, my mom dreamt that the doctors, dressed in pure white, where praying over him. As they did so, he was suddenly engulfed in light. Then he was gone, and my mom knew he was going to pass away.
Personally, I'm a skeptic of psuedoscience and stuff like that just because there is no credible evidence that I've ever heard of to support it. But that dream I just mentioned is one that compells me. I have my own theory, but it probably doesn't make sense....

#### gravenewworld

Do I believe dreams can fortell the future? You bet. I have had many cases where my dreams have come true to life. For example I will be in some place I have never been before in my entire life and when I walk around the corner I will already know what will be there because I already walked around the corner in a dream I had. Usually the "dejavu" I have happens every once in a while, not all the time, and they are of events of nothing significant like I have described.

#### loseyourname

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ChaosTheory said:
I was searching for psychic/clairvoyant stuff, and here I am. Odd that I'm also a M.E. and possibly Physics major. :)

Anyway, here's a link that I just discovered, which may give believers and non-believers something to check out.

http://www.ode.nl/scripts/article.php?aID=3773

Enjoy :)

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#### Philocrat

olde drunk said:
the aspect of me that is human requires time to process data. there is also an eternal aspect of myself that exists in a timeless universe; probably, non physical.

it would get messy if we tried to define our greater reality as it is beyond our total comprehension. can energy experience time? or does it experience different states? the chair i am sitting on is energy, condensed or coalesced energy.

we are one, with many aspects or lives. i view my greater self as a tree with each branch or even each leaf as an incarnation in this or any world. this greater self is an energy essence learning to master it's powers and abilities.

hey, look, no one has been able to explain to a scientific certainty what is really happening. i have pieced together this view because it works for me. fortunately, as i move along this line of thinking more and more of reality makes more sense to me. my dreams are limited and i do not spend much time sorting them or reaching for meaning.

i do however, like the idea that we are capable of so much more than we practice. look at what conventional medicine has done to OD's or is it DO's. they had a discipline that worked and it has been lost since they have been absorbed into the AMA definition of medicine. they did this to be accepted by government - business authorities.

my views promote a limitless creative enviornment for myself. (subject to the self-imposed limits for this human experience). now i will pay a little more attention to my dreams to see if i can add an anecdote to this thread.

love&peace,
olde drunk
Sorry to interrupt your little conversation with loseyourname. You seem to be a dualist. Well, there is nothing bad about that, except that being one simply undermines the whole foundation of your argument. The only problem that I have with your argument is that if there were an aspect of you that existed outside time, it would still be physical since there is originally no causal and clarifying relation between physical and non-physical.

The causal and relational battle is currently between SEQUENTIALISM and SIMULTANEITY, and the fact that the latter may approach a critical point where it may overcome the former does not undermine this fact. The most this could do is to create a critical state that I habitually call ‘THE STANDARD UNIVERSAL NOW’ (SUN). Well, my own opinion is that anything that attains this critical state does not in anyway express a disaster nor neither does it express a sudden translation into non-physicality. Rather, it merely expresses an ability to act non-sequentially.

As I have pointed out elsewhere, the problem of reconciling sequentiality with simultaneity starts with the causal and relational design structure of man himself. Or to be more technical, it is a problem ‘transmutated’ from the subject of perception to the object of perception. This means that, naturally, we think and act sequentially (both in a sleep-state and in a wake-state), and as loseyourname originally pointed out, and you partially agreed, this does involve a passage of time.

My suggestion is that we should focus and concentrate our multi-disciplinary efforts on reconciling the following problematic natural relations:

1) Something and Nothing or a thing and non-thing
2) A thing and itself
3) A thing and other things
4) Identity and Change
5) Sequentiality and Simultaneity

These relations have profound and ultimate consequences on the notions of TIME, SPACE, IDENTITY, CHANGE, CONTNUITY, MATHEMATICS, LOGIC, REASON, and PERFECTION.

I am currently sceptical as to whether these problems can be reconciled in purely human terms, and this is why I started suspecting many years ago that to do this might involve adverse intevention with the entire human reality. And trust me, this is almost a no-go area, even within the scientific community itself.

#### Guardian01

Can daydreams also be considered dreams? Daydream=oxymoron? Sorry to change the subject, but the thought came up.

#### Guardian01

Can daydreams be considered dreams, technically? Daydreams=oxymoron?

#### ChaosTheory

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:777hX_7iAYQJ:www.ode.nl/scripts/article.php%3FaID%3D3773 [Broken]

Try this. It's Google's cache of the website.

I really don't know how scientific it is, as there are no sources. But google is our friend :)

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#### russ_watters

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Imparcticle said:
The day before my dad died, my mom had a dream that his time had come. He'd had a heart attack 2 weeks before, and was getting better (so the doctors said). Then one night, my mom dreamt that the doctors, dressed in pure white, where praying over him. As they did so, he was suddenly engulfed in light. Then he was gone, and my mom knew he was going to pass away.
Personally, I'm a skeptic of psuedoscience and stuff like that just because there is no credible evidence that I've ever heard of to support it. But that dream I just mentioned is one that compells me. I have my own theory, but it probably doesn't make sense....
I see an obvious coincidence there. If my father had a heart attack (and survived), my mother would dream about his impending death for years before getting over it.

#### Imparcticle

Have you ever heard of teletrons?

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