Can FGR and the fine structure constant explain high intensity in dark field?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between absorbance, scattering, and the properties of materials, particularly focusing on silicene and its dispersion relation. Participants explore how these factors may relate to high intensity observed in dark field conditions, incorporating concepts from quantum mechanics and solid-state physics.

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  • One participant inquires about relating initial and diffracted wavelengths using absorbance, suggesting that most materials will have the same wavelength for both.
  • Another participant emphasizes that absorbance is dependent on wavelength and can be referenced from optical property handbooks, noting resonance effects between energy levels and photon energy.
  • A participant mentions their sample has parabolic bands and expresses uncertainty about resonance due to this band structure.
  • Discussion includes clarification on the types of electronic transitions: interband and intraband, with a focus on how these relate to absorption processes.
  • A participant identifies their sample as silicene, describing its dispersion relation as E= hvk.
  • Another participant questions the similarity of silicene's dispersion relation to that of graphene, particularly regarding effective mass and discontinuities.
  • One participant references literature on using the Fermi Golden Rule (FGR) to calculate absorption in graphene, noting a specific formula involving the fine structure constant, but expresses confusion about relating this to the observed high intensity in dark field conditions.

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Participants exhibit a mix of agreement on the principles of absorbance and electronic transitions, but there is disagreement and uncertainty regarding the specific properties of silicene and how they relate to the observed phenomena in dark field conditions.

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Limitations include the dependence on specific material properties, the need for further clarification on the resonance in parabolic band structures, and unresolved mathematical steps related to the application of the Fermi Golden Rule.

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Researchers and students interested in solid-state physics, materials science, and optical properties of two-dimensional materials may find this discussion relevant.

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Let's say I irradiate a sample that has an absorbance β with light of a wavelength λ1. Is there a way to relate the initial λ1 and the diffracted/scattered λ2 using β?
 
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Most materials will have λ2=λ1.
β (which is a function of the wavelength) just tells you how much light gets reflected/scattered.
 
Absorbance is wavelength dependent

You can find the absorbance as a function of wavelength for many materials in palik's handbook of optical propeties. Most materials have peak absorbance where there is resonance between the energy levels of the various energy carriers and the incident photon energy (wavelength)
 
mcodesmart said:
You can find the absorbance as a function of wavelength for many materials in palik's handbook of optical propeties. Most materials have peak absorbance where there is resonance between the energy levels of the various energy carriers and the incident photon energy (wavelength)

My sample has parabolic bands instead of quadratic, they touch inside the Brillouin zone, so I'm not sure as to how to find the reason of the ressonance with this kind of e-band.
 
What kind of sample do you have?

Parabolic band and quadratic band are the same thing.

There are different band corresponding to the different levels and it is the transition between these levels that I was talking about. You can have two different types of transitions, interband and intraband.

Interband transition is the transition between the conduction and valence bands (electrons and holes)

Intraband transitions are the transitions between the quantized levels within the conduction or valence band.
 
My sample is silicene-based, with dispersion relation E= hvk.
 
I am not familiar with this material. Is it similar to graphene dispersion relation, where you have a discontinuity at k=0 (or infinite effective mass).

To know the absorption, you must do the following. Using Fermigolden rule. calculate the transition rate for an electron from one band to another due to the absorption of the photon. This is done as follows. You have to find the matrix element, <i|H'|f>, where, H' is the perturbing potential and in this case can be treated as a dipole moment caused by a classical electromagnetic wave, i.e H' = eEr*exp(ik*r). The initial and final states of the electrons are given by plane waves modulated by block functions. Finally, you need the density of states g(E). This is where your dispersion relation comes into play. In the case of silicene, assuming that it is similar to graphene, i would assume a 2D density of states.
 
There's literature about the use of FGR to calculate the absorption in graphene, it yields the result A= Nπα, N is the number of layers (in my case, I use single layer silicene, or single layer graphene in the case you are proposing), and α is the fine structure constant. So for N=1, A= πα.

But this doesn't help me understand this high intensity I'm seeing in dark field, i cannot relate the two facts
 

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