Can I add these Current sources?

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The discussion centers on whether non-parallel current sources can be added to a circuit with a voltage source using supernode analysis. Participants emphasize the importance of ensuring that both sources flow into the same nodes without altering circuit characteristics. It is noted that if the battery is ideal and has no internal resistance, the calculated current may increase without affecting other currents or voltages. There is also a focus on encouraging self-discovery in problem-solving rather than providing direct answers. Ultimately, the conversation highlights the need to understand the definitions of ideal sources and to experiment with circuit analysis for clarity.
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Can i add these current sources even though they are not parallel since the voltage source can be a node by applying super node? i get the same answer by using nodal analysis... but i want to know if its applicable.
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Well, do they both flow into exactly the same nodes? That is, have you in any way changed the characteristics of the circuit by adding them?
 
Sure, they can be added that way - if only the battery between the resistors is practically perfect, without its own internal resistance. But, then, you get the calculated battery current 6A more; all the other currents and voltages being exactly the same.
 
AlexCaledin said:
Sure, they can be added that way - if only the battery between the resistors is practically perfect, without its own internal resistance. But, then, you get the calculated battery current 6A more; all the other currents and voltages being exactly the same.
Alex, I think perhaps you have misunderstood the goal of PF. We are not here to spoon-feed answers, we are here to help people figure out how to get the answers for themselves. Hints are appropriate, spoon-fed answers are not.

You should read the rules:
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phinds said:
Well, do they both flow into exactly the same nodes? That is, have you in any way changed the characteristics of the circuit by adding them?
Well that's my concern... if it can be considered as a single node even if there's a voltage source...
 
AlexCaledin said:
Sure, they can be added that way - if only the battery between the resistors is practically perfect, without its own internal resistance. But, then, you get the calculated battery current 6A more; all the other currents and voltages being exactly the same.
i think the question if the battery is perfect is not a problem... so can i add it that way?? thank you btw bro.
 
Ches, the way to answer such questions for yourself is to just try it out. Figure out all of the element currents and all of the node voltages in the circuit, then add the sources and do it again. Do any elements have a different current? Do any nodes have a different voltage?
 
ches18, in addition to what phinds said ask yourself what the definition of an ideal voltage and ideal current source are.
 
Are spoon-feed questions appropriate here? If yes, mine would be,

How to do the required transformation of the circuit (adding the currents) in three easy steps? (Well, you may perhaps call it four steps, the second not as easy as the others.)
 
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