Can I Build a Better Dog Detector for My Motorized Doggie Door?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around designing a better dog detection system for a motorized doggie door. Participants explore various sensor technologies and approaches to improve the existing setup, which currently relies on a high-frequency sound generator. The scope includes technical design considerations, potential sensor solutions, and practical challenges in implementation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the current system's limitations and outlines specific requirements for a new dog detector, including detection range, aesthetics, and selectivity between pets.
  • RFID is proposed as a potential solution, but concerns are raised about its limited range and reliability in detecting the dog at the desired distance.
  • Another participant suggests the feasibility of extending RFID range to 3 feet, questioning the practicality of this enhancement.
  • A participant discusses the mechanics of the doggie door, noting the speed of unlocking and locking, which may influence the design of the detection system.
  • One idea involves using a tuned circuit and oscillator to detect the dog, with the possibility of integrating a pressure-sensitive board to activate the system when the dog approaches.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the best approach to detect the dog, particularly around the use of RFID and alternative methods. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus on a single solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in existing technologies, such as the short range of RFID sensors and the need for aesthetic considerations in the design. There are also unresolved questions about the timing of the door's locking mechanism and its impact on the detection system.

Who May Find This Useful

Electronics enthusiasts, engineering students, and pet owners interested in DIY projects related to pet access systems may find this discussion relevant.

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This is not homework, although I am an EE student. If the solution is cool/complex enough, this might become a design project, although it'll most likely end up as something to do over the summer.

some time ago, I purchased a motorized doggie door. The dog wore a high frequency sound generator on it's collar, which triggered a sensor in the door when the dog was within a few feet.

The chassis of the system is good, but the electronics sucked, and the company support was terrible, so I'm looking to gut and rebuild the innards.

The system shouldn't be complicated, a microcontroller monitors a sensor, when the sensor kicks the MCU turns on the motor, when the sensor stops kicking the MCU turns off the motor and the weight of the door closes it (I think reverse-current protection was missing from the original design, which might help explain the short MTBF).

I'm looking for ideas for a dog-detector that can:
1: detect the dog from about 3 feet away
2: work on both sides of the door (multiple antennas is acceptable)
3: not be too ugly that people will ask why there's a big coil of copper on the floor
4: should have a decent off-angle response, since my dog's not that bright, and won't
always come straight at the door
5: detect my dog, but not my cats, or the local wildlife
6: no batteries on my dog, if possible

RFID seems to be the best solution, but most sensors seem to be either very short range (10cm) or very long range (300ft) and very expensive.

One of my classmates suggested a strong magnet on her collar, with an inductive coil on the floor, but this would violate rule 3, and the dog may end up with all kinds of stuff hanging from her collar.

I'm not afraid of soldering, programming, or research, but I could use some bright ideas.

Any suggestions?
 
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brianlojeck said:
This is not homework, although I am an EE student. If the solution is cool/complex enough, this might become a design project, although it'll most likely end up as something to do over the summer.

some time ago, I purchased a motorized doggie door. The dog wore a high frequency sound generator on it's collar, which triggered a sensor in the door when the dog was within a few feet.

The chassis of the system is good, but the electronics sucked, and the company support was terrible, so I'm looking to gut and rebuild the innards.

The system shouldn't be complicated, a microcontroller monitors a sensor, when the sensor kicks the MCU turns on the motor, when the sensor stops kicking the MCU turns off the motor and the weight of the door closes it (I think reverse-current protection was missing from the original design, which might help explain the short MTBF).

I'm looking for ideas for a dog-detector that can:
1: detect the dog from about 3 feet away
2: work on both sides of the door (multiple antennas is acceptable)
3: not be too ugly that people will ask why there's a big coil of copper on the floor
4: should have a decent off-angle response, since my dog's not that bright, and won't
always come straight at the door
5: detect my dog, but not my cats, or the local wildlife
6: no batteries on my dog, if possible

RFID seems to be the best solution, but most sensors seem to be either very short range (10cm) or very long range (300ft) and very expensive.

One of my classmates suggested a strong magnet on her collar, with an inductive coil on the floor, but this would violate rule 3, and the dog may end up with all kinds of stuff hanging from her collar.

I'm not afraid of soldering, programming, or research, but I could use some bright ideas.

Any suggestions?

I was thinking RFID as soon as I started reading your post...

CS
 
stewartcs said:
I was thinking RFID as soon as I started reading your post...

CS

I still think it's the best idea, but the dog can't be counted on to swipe her tag within 10cm of a reader. Is it feasible to extend the range to 3'?
 
How fast does the doggie-door unlock, and how long does it take for the doggie-door to lock after the dog opens it? We have a small scottie, and we have seen two coyoties in our garden recently...
Bob S
 
the door slides vertically, pulled by a steel wire connected to a motor. The cable is attached (on the door side) to the locking mechanism, so whenever it's down, it's locked.

unlocking and opening are pretty quick, although I never timed it.

With the old mechanism, it would be closed within 15 or 20 seconds of the dog leaving the area, but that may change as I'm replacing the motor as well.
 
There is an effect where if you have an oscillator and bring a tuned circuit resonant at the same frequency as the oscillator near it, the tuned circuit will absorb some power from the oscillator and the level of signal in the oscillator will dip sharply.

The is the principle of the "grid dip oscillator" used to detect the resonant frequency of tuned circuits.

Used with big coils, it might have enough range to operate at a distance of a foot or so. Maybe more. The tuned circuit could be a capacitor and a coil wound on the dog's collar.

If it did, maybe you could have a board that the dog has to walk on and this turns on a switch which turns on the oscillator. Maybe with a strain gauge it could weigh the dog?How about this?......:smile:

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