Can I calculate magnetic force of a magnet?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the magnetic force exerted by an electromagnet, specifically in relation to its magnetic field strength and the maximum mass it can hold. Participants also explore the effects of core radius on magnetic strength and how to calculate the magnetic field outside of a solenoid.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about calculating the maximum mass an electromagnet can hold given a magnetic field strength of 4T.
  • Another participant suggests consulting a Wikipedia page for assistance in calculating the strength produced by the magnetic field.
  • A participant shares an anecdote about a powerful electromagnet and its potential dangers, illustrating the practical implications of magnetic force.
  • One participant asserts that increasing the number of turns of wire in a solenoid will increase the strength of the electromagnet.
  • A participant questions how the magnetic strength would be affected by increasing the radius of the core wrapped with wires.
  • There is a request for clarification on how to calculate the magnetic field outside of a solenoid.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying viewpoints on the factors affecting magnetic strength, particularly regarding the radius of the core and the number of wire turns. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on the calculations or effects discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not established specific formulas or methods for calculating magnetic force or field strength, and there are assumptions regarding the definitions of terms like "magnetic strength" and "maximum mass." The discussion includes anecdotal evidence that may not be universally applicable.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in electromagnet design, physics students tackling related homework problems, and those exploring practical applications of magnetic fields may find this discussion relevant.

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Is there a way of calculating how much force can be applied to an object if you are given the magnetic field strength of an electromagnetic?

For example, if an electromagnet produces a B field of 4T, what is the maximum mass of iron it can hold?

And also, how does one calculate the magnetic field outside of a solenoid?

*edit* It seems that I may have another question...*sigh*

If I wrap wires around an iron core like a solenoid to make an electromagnet, would its magnetic strength decrease or increase if I increase the radius of the core? How would I maximize the strength other than having more turns of wires?
 
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I was working on a 30 ton electromagnet with a 12,000 Gauss (1.2 Tesla) field, and lots of fringe field. A grad student wheeled by a large gas bottle of CO2, which the magnet snatched and broke off the pressure regulator. We could not remove it without turning off the current. If you put an octegenarian on O2 in a 4T MRI (NMR) solenoid, the flying O2 bottle will crush him.
 
To increase the strength of the electromagnet, just, increase the number of winof the solenoid.
 

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