Can I Connect My Outdoor Light's Neutral to the Ground Wire for a Quick Fix?

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The discussion revolves around the safety and implications of connecting an outdoor light's neutral wire to the ground wire as a workaround for a faulty neutral connection. Participants explore the potential hazards, electrical measurements, and possible underlying issues with the wiring in the house.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a situation where the outdoor light does not work due to a faulty neutral connection, suggesting a temporary fix by connecting the light's neutral to the ground wire.
  • Another participant expresses concern about the 90VAC measurement between ground and neutral, indicating potential issues with the house's wiring.
  • Some participants propose that the 90VAC reading could suggest a break in the neutral wire or capacitive coupling from the hot wire, rather than a direct fault.
  • There is a suggestion that using the old cable to pull a new wire through could be a viable solution, though it is emphasized that the current workaround may pose significant safety risks.
  • One participant warns that while the lamp may function when the ground is used as a neutral, this setup could be dangerous and recommends hiring an electrician to ensure the system is safe and up to code.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the safety and validity of connecting the neutral to ground. While some acknowledge the temporary functionality of the light, others strongly caution against this practice, highlighting potential hazards and the need for proper investigation and repair.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that high impedance digital multimeters can produce misleading voltage readings, which may not accurately reflect the state of the wiring. The discussion also highlights the complexity of electrical systems and the potential for multiple underlying issues.

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I have an outdoor light that doesn't work because the contractor did not correctly wire up neutral line. The hot and ground are correctly wired but the neutral is not. My DMM didn't show a voltage when I measure hot and neutral. The house is built and it would be a pain in the *** to tear up the wall, find the wire and re-wire it.

Since the ground wire is connected to the neutral wire at the breaker, what if I just connect the light's neutral to the incoming ground wire? Is this a significant hazard? I did try it and the light worked.

Also, I measured 90VAC between ground and neutral. Is this indicative if a bad grounding connection?
 
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Something is goofy. If you are measuring 90v between ground and neutral then the neutral must be tied somewhere to the hot or to some device. There can be a bigger issue somewhere else in the house.

The solution to ground the lamp would work, but consider doing more investigation around the house.
 
It also sounds like there is a break in the neutral wire in the cable.
If it was grounded at the front of the house, it shouldn't have 90 volts on it.
High impedance digital multimeters can give such readings even if there is no current available at 90 volts.
It can be just due to the disconnected neutral wire coupling capacitively to the active wire.

Sometimes it is possible to use the old cable to pull a new one through the plastic pipe. This shouldn't be expensive.

Although the lamp might work, this sounds like a death trap. I'd call an electrician and pay him to fix it and check that the house is up to code.
 
vk6kro said:
It also sounds like there is a break in the neutral wire in the cable.
If it was grounded at the front of the house, it shouldn't have 90 volts on it.
High impedance digital multimeters can give such readings even if there is no current available at 90 volts.
It can be just due to the disconnected neutral wire coupling capacitively to the active wire.

Sometimes it is possible to use the old cable to pull a new one through the plastic pipe. This shouldn't be expensive.

Although the lamp might work, this sounds like a death trap. I'd call an electrician and pay him to fix it and check that the house is up to code.

The lamp does work if I substitute the ground for the neutral. In this case, the ground wire must be connected to the neutral at the breaker.

what, if a hot wire is tied to ground wire somewhere in my house like you said, then it would of tripped the breaker because my neutral is tied to ground. I verified that neutral is tied ground by connecting my light's neutral to ground and it worked.
 

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