Can I use sodium silicate waterglass to cast a glass object?

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The discussion centers on the feasibility of using sodium silicate, commonly known as waterglass, for casting glass objects. Participants explore its properties, potential applications, and limitations in this context, touching on both theoretical and practical aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that waterglass can form soda glass upon drying, raising the question of its suitability for casting glass objects.
  • Another participant describes the use of sodium silicate in creating crystal gardens and its applications in pottery, indicating its versatility but not directly addressing casting.
  • A different viewpoint expresses skepticism about using waterglass for casting due to its brittleness and alkaline nature, which may pose handling issues.
  • This participant also mentions the potential color taint and refractive index issues when using glass-fibre reinforcement with waterglass.
  • There is a suggestion that clear-casting with acrylic resin might be a better alternative, although the challenge of removing bubbles from the resin is acknowledged.
  • Additional tips are provided on bubble removal techniques for casting, although these are noted as not directly applicable to the waterglass discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the suitability of sodium silicate for casting glass objects. While some explore its potential, others raise concerns about its properties, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations regarding the brittleness of waterglass, its alkalinity, and the challenges associated with achieving transparency in cast objects. There are also unresolved questions about the effectiveness of various casting techniques.

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Waterglass is sodium silicate dissolved in water that upon drying forms soda glass. Could it therefore be used to cast a glass object like a slab or will it not form nicely?
 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_silicate#Crystal_gardens said:
Crystal gardens[edit]
When crystals of a number of metallic salts are dropped into a solution of water glass, simple or branching stalagmites of coloured metal silicates are formed. This phenomenon has been used by manufacturers of toys and chemistry sets to provide instructive enjoyment to many generations of children from the early 20th century until the present. An early mention of crystals of metallic salts forming a "chemical garden" in sodium silicate is found in the 1946 Modern Mechanix magazine.[24] Metal salts used included the sulfates and/or chlorides of copper, cobalt, iron, nickel, and manganese.

Pottery[edit]
Sodium silicate is used as a deflocculant in casting slips helping reduce viscosity and the need for large amounts of water to liquidize the clay body. It is also used to create a crackle effect in pottery, usually wheel-thrown. A vase or bottle is thrown on the wheel, fairly narrow and with thick walls. Sodium silicate is brushed on a section of the piece. After 5 minutes, the wall of the piece is stretched outward with a rib or hand. The result is a wrinkled or cracked look.

It is also the main agent in "magic water", which is used when joining clay pieces, especially if the moisture level of the two differs.[25]
 
It's been a while, but I've used sodium silicate 'water glass' both for 'crystal gardens' and egg preservation.

IMHO, 'water glass' is much too brittle for use in casting. Worse, it is sufficiently alkaline for 'manual handling' issues.

( And Sufficiently alkaline to eat through an aluminium pan... )

FWIW, I don't know if any-one has tried glass-fibre reinforced 'water glass', but I'd expect even quality fibre mat, as used in GRP boat and car etc repairs, may have a colour taint, plus sufficiently differing refractive index to not be transparent as requested...

I'm sorry, I'm told 'clear-casting' with acrylic resin is probably the better option. How you get the bubbles out remains beyond me...
 
Nik_2213 said:
How you get the bubbles out remains beyond me...

A) Be careful in pouring into mold to not mix air in the liquid... as in pour gentle down the side of the mold
B) Deaerate if needed
  • Vibrating the filled mold may be sufficient with low viscosity liquids
  • Put in vacuum chamber... doesn't have to be fancy, for small items such as will fit into a canning jar, a hand operated vacuum pump may be adequate.

(This is not applicable in your case, included here for completeness)
  • If it's a two-part compound: Mix as you would mix car repair Body Putty. Don't stir, smear out on a flat surface with a spatula, fold the layer over itself, repeat.
  • If bubbles are not real critical in final product, just letting it sit for a few minutes after mixing may be sufficient; depends a lot on viscosity.
  • If bubbles are critical, put in a vacuum chamber after mixing; may have to repeat after pouring into casting mold.

Cheers,
Tom
 

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