Can Magnets Attract H2O Molecules?

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The discussion revolves around the interaction of water (H2O) with magnetic fields, specifically whether water can be attracted to magnets due to its molecular structure and properties. Participants explore the concepts of magnetism, including terms like ferromagnetism, paramagnetism, and diamagnetism, in relation to water.

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  • One participant suggests that H2O is polarized and questions why it does not attract magnets.
  • Another participant asserts that water interacts with magnetic fields but requires a very strong field for any noticeable effect.
  • A participant clarifies that water is not truly magnetic in the ferromagnetic sense, explaining that it is paramagnetic due to unpaired electrons in oxygen's shell, which leads to a slight magnetic moment.
  • One participant emphasizes that water has no unpaired electrons and is thus diamagnetic, arguing that it is even less magnetic than paramagnetic substances like O2.
  • There is a discussion about the differences between water and O2 regarding their magnetic properties, with some participants correcting each other's claims about unpaired electrons and molecular orbitals.

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Participants express differing views on the magnetic properties of water, with some asserting it is paramagnetic and others claiming it is diamagnetic. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent and nature of water's interaction with magnetic fields.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved definitions and distinctions between types of magnetism, particularly concerning the terms used to describe water's magnetic properties. The discussion also highlights potential confusion between molecular and atomic orbitals.

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I understand that H2O is polarized. The way I see it there is a north pole and a sole pole. If this is correct, why does it not attract magnets?
 
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Thanks for the help.
 
H2O is really not truly magnetic. When you say "magnetic" you probably mean "ferromagnetic" or that it has a permanent magnetic moment. Water can't, because there's no "spot" where unpaired electrons could permanently "live".

Water is paramagnetic, which means that it has a slight magnetic moment, because the last two electrons in oxygen's shell are unpaired and each one is in the p_x* and p_y* orbitals. You can measure this in something called a "gouy balance" - same thing w/ O2 gas or O2 liquid. There's a ton of switching around of these electrons (note the "*", meaning they are in special "antibonding" orbitals), so that's why you only get a very mild, impermanent magnetic moment.

Water has a "big" electric dipole moment, however, b/z oxygen is so electronegative, that the bulk of the time the electrons that came along with, and are covalently shared by, the two hydrogens, spend their time around oxygen.

In solids, where lots of unpaired electrons can permanently live in the crystalline unit cells of compounds like cobalt-iron-neodymium or what have you, can and do have very large permanent magnetic moments...all the unpaired electrons EACH occupy a d-orbital...since they're all pointing in one direction (due to Hund's rules and the Aufbau principle), there's your permanent magnetic moment and, hence, ferromagnetism. Does that help?
 
solidspin said:
Water is paramagnetic, which means that it has a slight magnetic moment, because the last two electrons in oxygen's shell are unpaired and each one is in the p_x* and p_y* orbitals.

I'm afraid you've confused water with O2 and atomic orbitals with molecular ones.
Water has no unpaired electrons and is thus diamagnetic. Which, (for the benefit of the original poster), means it's even less magnetic than that - about as un-magnetic as a substance can get.

It's O2 that has two unpaired electrons (in the [tex]\pi^*_x[/tex] and [tex]\pi^*_y[/tex] molecular orbitals), and is thus paramagnetic.
 

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