Can Mathematical Induction Verify This Complex Differential Equation?

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The discussion revolves around the verification of a complex differential equation using mathematical induction. The equation in question involves the nth derivative of a function that combines polynomial and exponential components.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss using mathematical induction to prove the equation, with attempts to establish a base case and induction step. Some participants question the validity of the equation for higher derivatives, noting discrepancies in results when applying differentiation rules.

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There is ongoing exploration of the differentiation process, with some participants providing guidance on applying the product rule correctly. Multiple interpretations of the equation's validity are being examined, particularly regarding the outcomes for different values of n.

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Participants express uncertainty about the correctness of their differentiation steps and the implications of their findings on the overall proof. There is a focus on ensuring proper application of differentiation rules without reaching a definitive conclusion on the validity of the original equation.

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i need to prove that this equation is true
[itex] \frac{d^n}{dx^n}\left(x^{n-1}e^{1/x}\right) = (-1)^n\frac{e^{1/x}}{x^{n+1}}[/itex]

i tried by induction
[itex] f_n(x) \equiv x^{n-1}e^{1/x}[/itex]

[itex] g_n(x) \equiv (-1)^n\frac{e^{1/x}}{x^{n+1}}[/itex]
this is the pattern if i keep differentiating the base case.
[itex] \frac{{d^{k + 1} }}{{dx^{k + 1} }}f_{n + 1} (x) = x\frac{{d^{k + 1} }}{{dx^{k + 1} }}f_n (x) + (k + 1)\frac{{d^k }}{{dx^k }}f_n (x)[/itex]

then i tried to differentiate the "n" equation inorder to get to the n+1 equation
[itex] \frac{{d^{n + 1} }}{{dx^{n + 1} }}f_n (x) = \frac{{d^{} }}{{dx^{} }}g_n (x) = ( - 1)^n {\rm{[}}e^{1/x} ( - \frac{1}{{x^2 }}{\rm{)}}x^{n + 1} + (n + 1)x^n e^{1/x} {\rm{] }} \\[/itex]

but it didnt work
??
 
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Base case (n = 1); d/dx [itex]e^{1/x} = - e^{1/x}/x^2[/itex]
So the equation holds for n = 1.

Induction step (n = k)
Asssume that [itex]d^k/dx^k(x^{k -1}e^{1/x}) = (-1)^k e^{1/x}/x^{k + 1}[/itex]

Now show that the equation holds for n = k + 1. Note that the (k + 1)st derivative is the derivative of the kth derivative.
 
i did that in the first post
it doesn't give me the n+1 expression as a result
??
 
Where did you find this equation?

After some thought, it doesn't seem to be true. I showed that when n = 1 it's true, namely that
[tex]d/dx(x^0 e^{1/x}) = d/dx(e^{1/x}) = x^{-2}e^{1/x}[/tex]
But when n = 2, you have
[tex]d^2/dx^2(x e^{1/x}) = d/dx (x^{-2}e^{1/x})[/tex]
[tex]= e^{1/x}(1/x^4 + 2/x^3)[/tex]
and this doesn't fit the pattern.

Things will only get worse for higher derivatives, since you'll get an additional term for each additional derivative.
 
You have made a mistake taking the derivative. Incorrect application of the product rule or the quotient rule.
transgalactic said:
[itex] g_n(x) \equiv (-1)^n\frac{e^{1/x}}{x^{n+1}}[/itex][itex]\frac{{d^{} }}{{dx^{} }}g_n (x) = ( - 1)^n {\rm{[}}e^{1/x} ( - \frac{1}{{x^2 }}{\rm{)}}x^{n + 1} + (n + 1)x^n e^{1/x} {\rm{] }} \\[/itex]

Set the (-1)n aside and try again to take the derivative of [itex]\frac{e^{1/x}}{x^{n+1}}[/itex]

This is the product of two pieces [itex]e^{1/x}[/itex] and [itex]\frac{1}{x^{n+1}}[/itex]

The derivative of the first piece is [itex]-\frac{e^{1/x}}{x^{2}}[/itex]
The derivative of the second piece is [itex]-(n+1)\frac{1}{x^{n+2}}[/itex]

How about you apply the product rule and tell us what the derivative of gn is?

If you can just get the derivative of e1/x/xn+1 right, then I think the rest will go OK.
BTW the quotient rule is just a poorly disguised version of the product rule. You really only need one rule and the product rule will work in either case. Correctly applied they both give the same answer. You must learn at least to apply the product rule correctly
 
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is this correct??
what to do next??
[itex] g_n '(x) = ( - 1)^n \frac{{ - \frac{1}{{x^2 }}e^{1/x} x^{n + 1} - (n + 1)x^n e^{1/x} }}{{x^{2n + 2} }}[/itex]
 
transgalactic said:
is this correct??
what to do next??
[itex] g_n '(x) = ( - 1)^n \frac{{ - \frac{1}{{x^2 }}e^{1/x} x^{n + 1} - (n + 1)x^n e^{1/x} }}{{x^{2n + 2} }}[/itex]

well, let's see. I will apply the product rule and see if what you have is right.

(pq)' = p'q + p q'

((e1/x)( 1/xn+1))' = (-e1/x/x2) (1/xn+1) + (e1/x)(-(n+1)/xn+2)

= -e1/x/xn+3 - (n+1) e1/x/xn+2

= -(n + 1 + 1/x) e1/x/xn+2

You can put back in the factor of (-1)n.

Now is this what you got? I can't read your "itex" text, it is too small, please use plain "tex". I will copy your answer but with "tex":
==quote==
is this correct??

[tex] g_n '(x) = ( - 1)^n \frac{{ - \frac{1}{{x^2 }}e^{1/x} x^{n + 1} - (n + 1)x^n e^{1/x} }}{{x^{2n + 2} }}[/tex]
==endquote==

Yes! It looks right! You just didn't simplify it, by canceling stuff.

OK now we know that (gn(x))' = (n + 1 + 1/x) gn+1(x)

Make sure you understand that much.
 
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OK now we know that (gn(x))' = (n + 1 + 1/x) gn+1(x).

From here it should be a straight shot.
For convenience let's write D for d/dx.
Now just successively differentiate fn+1

Dfn+1 = fn + xDfn
D2fn+1 = 2Dfn + xD2fn
D3fn+1 = 3D2fn + xD3fn
D4fn+1 = 4D3fn + xD4fn
Dn+1fn+1 = (n+1)Dnfn + xDn+1fn

I think you have done that. Make sure you understand so far. Do it again, I would suggest, for good measure. It is now easy to finish solving. Try it. You don't have to depend, I think. Any questions about what's been done?
 

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