Can multiple layers of thin films increase infrared light absorption?

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The discussion centers on the potential for using multiple layers of thin films to enhance the absorption of infrared light, with some participants exploring the implications for x-ray absorption as well. The scope includes theoretical considerations, material properties, and the behavior of different wavelengths.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether multi-layer thin films can increase infrared absorption on a surface, specifically using the same type of thin film for each layer.
  • Another participant suggests that absorption can be increased by using thin layers of different materials, emphasizing the importance of changes in refractive index and the use of lossy optical materials.
  • A participant raises a question about the applicability of the discussed methods to x-rays, noting that materials behave differently at this wavelength.
  • It is proposed that while x-rays may not respond effectively to the same strategies as infrared, techniques like Anderson localization in disordered media could be explored.
  • Concerns are expressed regarding the thickness of thin films relative to x-ray wavelengths, with a participant questioning the relevance of electromagnetic media at such scales.
  • Another participant mentions that for x-ray shielding, bulk materials are typically used, contrasting this with the mechanisms of infrared absorption, which involve different processes.
  • There is a reiteration of the idea that multiple layers of thin films could be effective if they are thin enough, although the specifics remain unclear.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of multi-layer thin films for both infrared and x-ray absorption, with no consensus reached on the applicability of the discussed methods across different wavelengths.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about material properties and the behavior of light at different wavelengths, which may not be fully resolved. The implications of using specific materials and thicknesses for both infrared and x-ray applications remain uncertain.

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hello :

i have a small question , can we use multi layer thin films to increase absorption of infrared spectrum , on certain surface , ?

taking in mind that we use the same kind of thin film for each layer .
is that possible ?

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hagop
 
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You can certainly increase absorption by using thin layers of different materials. What matters is change in refractive index. This is quite similar to anti-reflection coating, however you would have to use lossy optical materials for your anti-reflection coating to get absorption (as opposed to transmission)
 
What about x-rays
 
In x-rays materials do not respond as effective media anymore, so the above approach will probably fail. Materials still scatter x-rays, so maybe one can try Anderson localization tricks, i.e. send x-rays at disordered media such as glass. Or simply use thicker layers. This is all on the level of a hypothesis, I do not work with x-rays.
 
But if the thickness of the thin-film is near the wave length of the x-ray incoming wave ?
 
x-ray wavelength is on the scale of few Angstrom. Does it make sense to talk about electromagnetic media of such thickness? There is graphene and other 2d materials, but I would not call them electromagnetic media.
 
Multiple stack of thin films of that thickness
 
Initially it was infrared, then x-ray, then single-wavelength thick layer, now many layers ... Is there anything specific you are after?
 
You answered the infra red question,then you indicated that single layer is not going to effect (the question of single layer was not clear my mistake) ,
But in case of multiple layers if they are thin enough that what I was wondering about or asking about
 
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hagopbul said:
You answered the infra red question,then you indicated that single layer is not going to effect (the question of single layer was not clear my mistake) ,
But in case of multiple layers if they are thin enough that what I was wondering about or asking about
Not particularly. Typically, for x-ray shielding bulk amounts of lead or other high atomic number materials, such as tungsten-filled polymers are used.
For infrared absorption the absorption process would typically be a band-to-band transition or the excitation of a vibrational/rotational mode.
As x-rays are much higher energy, different processes dominate (for instance the generation of secondary electrons and the subsequent bremsstrahlung). In principle, you can have high-absorption if the x-ray energy is at an absorption edge of the material in question, however you would still generate ionising radiation via Auger processes and bremsstrahlung.
 
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