Can Outside Temperature Affect the COP of Air-Conditioning Systems?

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The discussion revolves around the effects of outside temperature on the coefficient of performance (COP) of air-conditioning systems, particularly in the context of computer server farms and data centers. Participants explore the implications of using a modified definition of COP in a simulated study, as well as the realism of negative COP values when outside temperatures are lower than inside temperatures.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a derivable definition for COP as COP = 1 / (Th/Tl - 1), where Th is the outside temperature and Tl is the inside temperature, questioning the realism of a negative COP.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the relevance of the study being simulated to the definition of COP, suggesting that real-world data should be used for a performance model.
  • Concerns are raised about the lack of available data for air-conditioning performance, particularly regarding condenser temperature, which complicates the study.
  • It is noted that no work is required for heat to move from a warm to a cooler environment, implying that an air conditioner would not operate in such conditions, thus questioning the need for a COP in that scenario.
  • One participant argues that even with a slightly lower outside temperature, an air conditioner may still need to operate, as heat flow may not be sufficient to warrant turning it off.
  • Another participant suggests that air conditioners using the same refrigerant may exhibit similar performance curves, which could aid in approximating efficiency despite data limitations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of negative COP values and the necessity of air-conditioning operation when outside temperatures are lower than inside temperatures. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the appropriate definition of COP in this context and the practicalities of air-conditioning operation under varying temperature conditions.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about air-conditioning performance and the availability of real-world data. The discussion also highlights the dependence on specific conditions, such as the type of air-conditioning unit and the refrigerant used, which may affect the applicability of general models.

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Hi All,

I'm doing a study on effects of outside temperature on the energy efficiency of air-conditioning systems in computer server farms/data centers.

It will be a simulated study so I cannot use the standard definition of COP;

COP = heat removed / work

At the same time I also want to examine the effect of the outside temperature. There for I've been using the following derivable definition for COP;

COP = 1 / (Th/Tl - 1)

where Th = the temperature of the hot, outside environment
and tl is the temperature of the inside. cool environment.

The problem I have is that in certain places, the outside temperature will be lower than the inside temperature, giving me a negative value for COP?? Any comment on this, is a negative COP realistic given that I'm doing work to move heat from a warm environment to a cooler one? or is this incorrect?

any help is appreciated.
 
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Welcome to PF.
rayc said:
It will be a simulated study so I cannot use the standard definition of COP;

COP = heat removed / work
I don't understand that sentence: what does it being a simulated study have to do with using the definition of CoP?
At the same time I also want to examine the effect of the outside temperature. There for I've been using the following derivable definition for COP;

COP = 1 / (Th/Tl - 1)

where Th = the temperature of the hot, outside environment
and tl is the temperature of the inside. cool environment.

The problem I have is that in certain places, the outside temperature will be lower than the inside temperature, giving me a negative value for COP?? Any comment on this, is a negative COP realistic given that I'm doing work to move heat from a warm environment to a cooler one? or is this incorrect?
If you are doing a study and you want to make the results real-world relevant, I'd take data from a real air conditioner and build a performance model based on its real performance curve.
 
russ_watters said:
Welcome to PF. I don't understand that sentence: what does it being a simulated study have to do with using the definition of CoP?

This means that I cannot use the more atypical definition of COP (heat removed/work) as I have no actual data regarding how much work it takes to remove a given amount of heat for a given AC, under certain conditions.

russ_watters said:
If you are doing a study and you want to make the results real-world relevant, I'd take data from a real air conditioner and build a performance model based on its real performance curve.

It would be excellent to get this data, but I have had no luck locating the data for this, especially one that factors the condenser temperature. Thats why I was trying to base my work on the more general model, with possible rough adjustments to account in some way for
real-world ac's.
 
rayc said:
The problem I have is that in certain places, the outside temperature will be lower than the inside temperature, giving me a negative value for COP?? Any comment on this, is a negative COP realistic given that I'm doing work to move heat from a warm environment to a cooler one? or is this incorrect?
No work is required for heat to move from a warm to a cooler environment. Since the air conditioner would simply be turned off in these circumstances, there is no need or sense in trying to come up with a COP in that situation.

(Unless I am missing something here -- Russ knows this stuff better than I do.)
 
rayc said:
This means that I cannot use the more atypical definition of COP (heat removed/work) as I have no actual data regarding how much work it takes to remove a given amount of heat for a given AC, under certain conditions.

It would be excellent to get this data, but I have had no luck locating the data for this, especially one that factors the condenser temperature. Thats why I was trying to base my work on the more general model, with possible rough adjustments to account in some way for
real-world ac's.
Ok. One assumption that might be useful is that two air conditioners using the same refrigerant will have similar performance curves. The difficulty is in establishing the peak efficiency, but if you know roughly what type of AC unit you are talking about, you can find similar ones online.

I've gone into more detail on the subject recently, in this thread (including links to some manufacturer data and my own analysis): https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=379749
 
Redbelly98 said:
No work is required for heat to move from a warm to a cooler environment. Since the air conditioner would simply be turned off in these circumstances, there is no need or sense in trying to come up with a COP in that situation.

(Unless I am missing something here -- Russ knows this stuff better than I do.)
Well, there is a difference is between the theory and the reality. The reality is that if the outside temperature is only a little below the inside temperature, heat won't flow fast enough, so you still may leave the AC on. To be more specific, a typical air conditioner delivers 55F air, so the outside temperature needs to be below 55F to turn off the A/C (assuming the AC unit can use 100% outside air), even though you are only shooting for an inside temperature of 70F.

Also, there may be a situation where there is no path for heat to flow from inside to outside except through the air conditioner (ie, for a network closet the middle of a middle floor of an office building).
 

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