Can Quartz/Ceramic Be Used as a Pickup for a Homemade Bass Guitar?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of using quartz or ceramic as a pickup for a homemade bass guitar. Participants explore the properties of piezoelectric materials and their potential application in string instruments, particularly in relation to sound capture and amplification.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that using quartz as a pickup is possible but questions the rationale behind it, noting that ceramic might offer better response and lower cost.
  • Concerns are raised about the size of the pickup, with a participant arguing that a large transducer could pick up unwanted room noise, which could lead to feedback issues.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for a coupling system that effectively connects to the string while minimizing interference from ambient noise.
  • There is a discussion about the potential dampening effects of mechanical coupling on string vibrations, with one participant expressing skepticism about close mechanical coupling.
  • Participants note that magnetic pickups are commonly used for valid reasons, hinting at the complexities involved in sound capture from string vibrations.
  • One participant reflects on the evolution of electric guitars and acknowledges the existence of various pickup types available on the market.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the practicality and effectiveness of using quartz or ceramic as pickups, with no consensus reached on the best approach or materials. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal method for capturing string vibrations in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to the sensitivity of pickups to string movement versus room noise, and the impact of mechanical coupling on sound quality. These factors remain unresolved and are contingent on further exploration of piezoelectric applications.

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Hi everyone!
First of all I would like to say that my native language is not english, so I will try to explain myself as good as I can
This is my first thread in which I would like to ask a question a friend of mine asked to me, hoping he could get some answer from me, but I couldn't give him a good result, so that is why I'm looking for others help :rolleyes:

So, my friend is building a homemade bass guitar, and he often asks me questions about electric components to make his instrument sound better, and a few days ago he came with some ideas from an article he read about piezoelectric components, and wanted to know if he could make his instrument sound with this kind of component.

I talked him about the normal use of this materials such as ceramics, which are used in instruments with a resonance box. Ej: upright bass

But he had the idea to make an about 10x2 cm rectangular piece of quartz to use it as a pickup,
(a pickup in a bass looks like this http://citron-guitars.com/cms/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/pickup_bassJ4.jpg and is a simple use of magnets that are affected by the vibration of the metal strings of the instruments )

After a little research in the internet I found out some stuff about this piezoelectricty concept, but anyway I don't know if this is possible and neither I know what to answer him :frown:

So: Would it be possible to make a string instrument(in this case the bass guitar) sound out of the catchment of the vibration that the strings make in the air with a "piece" of quartz/ceramic?

I've posted this thread in Earth threads space because I don't know where to post it exactly

Hope you can help me out!

Thank you in advance!:biggrin:
 
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Welcome to PF.
Yes, it is possible. But why would you want to do it?

Albondiga said:
But he had the idea to make an about 10x2 cm rectangular piece of quartz to use it as a pickup,
Ceramic would have bigger response and a lower cost than quartz. But there is no need for such a big pickup.

Your pickup transducer needs to be sensitive to the string movement and deaf to room noise. A large single transducer will also pick up other noise in the room, which will then feedback around the amplifier system.

To use piezoelectric transducers you must find a coupling system couples to the string while cancelling room noise.
 
As Baluncore mentions, "To use piezoelectric transducers you must find a coupling system couples to the string ...".

I'm thinking that any mechanical coupling would surely dampen the string vibration too much.

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http://www.piezo.com/tech2intropiezotrans.html
 
I certainly do not advocate close mechanical coupling, or a piezo microphone nearby.
There are good reasons why magnetic pickups are used.

String vibration is a 2D thing, often with a rotation between the modes.
How might the orientation of piezo sensors change the sound recovered?
 
Baluncore said:
I certainly do not advocate close mechanical coupling, or a piezo microphone nearby.
Whether or not you personally like them, you can buy guitars with both types of pickup.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtssqAl07i0
http://www.thomann.de/gb/music_man_john_petrucci_7_p_bk.htm
 
Baluncore said:
I certainly do not advocate close mechanical coupling, or a piezo microphone nearby.
There are good reasons why magnetic pickups are used.
Just to make sure, my comment was intended for the OP as I totally agreed with you.

AlephZero said:
Whether or not you personally like them, you can buy guitars with both types of pickup.
Dang. I should have realized electric guitars have evolved since the little bands I played in back in the '70s.
 

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