Can solar panels be improved by combining them with a heat retaining material?

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The discussion revolves around the potential improvement of solar panels by integrating them with heat-retaining materials and exploring the concept of magnifying sunlight to enhance energy capture. Participants consider both theoretical and practical aspects of solar energy technology, including photovoltaic and solar thermal systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose using a giant magnifying glass to concentrate sunlight on solar panels, suggesting this could increase energy output, although others clarify that this concept relates to concentrator cells which have limitations.
  • There is mention of hybrid solar panels that combine photovoltaic systems with solar thermal systems, with some participants questioning the advantages due to potential inefficiencies at high temperatures.
  • One participant discusses the decreasing cost of solar energy and the possibility of using multiple panels oriented in different directions to optimize sunlight capture throughout the day.
  • Concerns are raised about the practicality and cost-effectiveness of large-scale renewable energy technologies, with a participant expressing frustration over the high costs associated with renewable energy solutions.
  • Another participant suggests that mirrors may be more practical than lenses for concentrating sunlight due to issues with size and cost, as well as chromatic dispersion.
  • References to existing combined panels are made, indicating that thermal collectors can enhance the efficiency of photovoltaic arrays by cooling them.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the feasibility and effectiveness of combining photovoltaic and solar thermal technologies, with no clear consensus reached on the advantages or disadvantages of such integrations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approaches to improving solar panel efficiency.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to the efficiency of photovoltaic cells at high temperatures and the specific conditions under which concentrator cells operate, such as the need for direct sunlight and tracking systems.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring innovations in renewable energy technologies, particularly those focused on solar energy systems and their efficiency improvements.

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Hello everyone,I'm currently working on slabs (titles) that convert people's footsteps into electrical power via kinetic energy.Now, because I've been working with this tech over the past few months I've been thinking of new ideas for renewable energy sources.-not recreate just add to or better current ones. I would like to get opinions and thoughts if possible about my idea considering I do not have the knowledge or enough experience in this field.My idea- to my understanding solar panels work by converting the sun's light into energy via allowing photons to separate electrons from atoms and it's the photovoltaic cells that actually turns the sunlight into energy.Is there a way to magnify the sun's light to gain maximum exposure and potentially gain higher amounts of photons? For instance (an extreme measure) what if we were to put a giant magnifing glass over top of solar panels would it concentrate the sun's light, making it more powerful and for energy to be more attainable? Another thought was having the solar panels (silicon cells) themselves be incorporated with a heat retaining material like zeolite, therefore allowing for a hybrid, if I may, solar panels with incorporating a photovoltaic system with solar thermal system. This way it would utilize the full potential of the sun's light using its radiation and heating.I don't know if these ideas are unrealistic, ridiculous or already in the works, but I'd like to get any information on the subject so I can educate myself or at least look into furthering my idea.Thank you for your time I look forward to any replies.CuriousQ.
 
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curiousQ23 said:
Is there a way to magnify the sun's light to gain maximum exposure and potentially gain higher amounts of photons? For instance (an extreme measure) what if we were to put a giant magnifing glass over top of solar panels would it concentrate the sun's light, making it more powerful and for energy to be more attainable?
That concept is called concentrator cells. You don't capture more sunlight, but your actual cell can get smaller, so using better cells (more expensive per area) becomes viable. The downside: it only works with direct sunlight and you usually have to track the sun, because only light from a specific direction gets focused on the small cell.
Concentrator cells exist but their market share is small.

curiousQ23 said:
Another thought was having the solar panels (silicon cells) themselves be incorporated with a heat retaining material like zeolite, therefore allowing for a hybrid, if I may, solar panels with incorporating a photovoltaic system with solar thermal system. This way it would utilize the full potential of the sun's light using its radiation and heating.
The solar cell would reduce the heat, but cost the same as a solar cell elsewhere without that downside. I don't see an advantage.
 
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PV cells sometimes need to take up as small an area as possible - for instance on a vehicle- but area is not a major problem in static arrays. The price per kW is coming down steadily and soon, I think, it will be possible to use multiple panels, in different directions, to make better use of the whole of the day's sunlight. Not very 'satisfying', perhaps but it could well be the way forward for large scale solar generation. Much more reliable than tracking systems.
 
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Thank you for your response. It's just unfortunate that renewable energy tech isn't cheap especially on a large scale, and because of this renewable studies isn't always in the forefront to elaborate such a topic. Thanks again

CuriousQ.
 
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That concept is called concentrator cells. You don't capture more sunlight, but your actual cell can get smaller, so using better cells (more expensive per area) becomes viable. The downside: it only works with direct sunlight and you usually have to track the sun, because only light from a specific direction gets focused on the small cell.
Concentrator cells exist but their market share is small.

The solar cell would reduce the heat, but cost the same as a solar cell elsewhere without that downside. I don't see an advantage.

Thank you very much for taking your time to respond. I'll have to look more into this as it has become very intriguing to me. I'd like to get a better understanding of this process and possibly figure out how this can be done more affectively but more over cost efficient which always seems to be the focus when bringing ideas forward. Thanks again
 
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Lenses get really bulky and expensive when they are big, so mirrors are usually used instead. Also, mirrors don't have chromatic dispersion.

I don't think it makes much sense to combine photovoltaic with solar thermal, since solar thermal works best at very high temperatures, and photovoltaics lose efficiency or break at very high temperatures. All the solar thermal plants use huge concentrators to get the target temperature very high.
 

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