Can the equation E = pc be applied to particles?

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The discussion revolves around the applicability of the equation E = pc to particles, particularly focusing on whether it can be applied to particles with rest mass versus those without, such as photons.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the conditions under which E = pc is valid, questioning the applicability to particles with rest mass. Some suggest evaluating related equations and concepts, while others seek clarification on definitions and implications.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and clarifications regarding the energy-momentum relationship and the implications of rest mass on the equation. There is an ongoing exploration of the mathematical relationships involved.

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Participants are navigating through concepts of relativistic mass and energy, with some expressing uncertainty about the definitions and the implications of their evaluations. The original poster's assumptions about the applicability of the equation are being critically examined.

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Homework Statement

Can the equation E = pc be applied to particles? Why or why not?

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It can be applied to particles that DONT have a rest mass (photons, which are particles). It can not be applied to particles that have a rest mass (almost everything).
 
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OK start, but it would be more complete to consider the equations that express the relative energy of particles that do have rest mass.
 
So its only applicable to photons (and gluons)?
But you only make a stament and do not explain why it is so?
 
Try this. Evaluate the quantity

m2c4 - m02c4
where of course mc2 = E
 
gleem said:
where of course mc2 = E
Just a clarification of what gleem is saying:
E over here is the total energy of the object. So the actual formula for this will be ##E= \gamma m_0 c^2##, where $$\gamma = \frac {1}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}}}$$. By m, gleem means the relativistic mass (an orthodox concept, really) ##m=\gamma m_0##.
(I'm providing this clarification in case the OP accidentally uses the rest mass for the formula for E over here)
 
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I get up to the point where it evaluates to E2(v2/c2)?
 
andrevdh said:
I get up to the point where it evaluates to E2(v2/c2)?
OK. Now substitute ##E=\gamma m_0 c^2## for E. What does this reduce to? Do you know the relativistic momentum expression?
 
I think it comes to (pc)2?
Which approaches the energy-momentum relation from the other side.
How is this relevant to the original question?
We evaluated a difference between two terms and found
that they are related to the relativistic momentum of the entity?
 
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andrevdh said:
I think it comes to (pc)2?
Which approaches the energy-momentum relation from the other side.
How is this relevant to the original question?
We evaluated a difference between two terms and found
that they are related to the relativistic momentum of the entity?
It is relevant because you just derived the forumula ##pc=\sqrt{{\gamma}^2m_0^2 c^4 - m_0 ^2c^4} = \sqrt{E^2-m_0^2 c^4}##, proving the fact that ##E≠pc## if ##m_0 ≠0 ##, which I believe was your original question.
 
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I'll think about it.
It seems to make sense.
Thank you.
 

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