I Can the Kepler Problem be Solved for Bodies with Spin?

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The discussion revolves around the complexities of incorporating spin into the Kepler problem, specifically comparing point bodies to rigid bodies with spins. It highlights that this is a challenging problem, often yielding only partial results in research articles rather than textbooks. Participants suggest using Lagrangian mechanics and the Euler-Lagrange equations to analyze the motion of a barbell in a gravitational field. The conversation also notes that introducing a small parameter might provide some hope for simplifying the problem. Overall, the integration of spin into the Kepler problem is recognized as a complex task with no straightforward solutions.
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Hello I'm wondering, what is difference in trajectory or period or...something if I try to compare solution of Kepler problem for point bodies and "rigid" bodies with spins. More precisely is some easy way how to include a spin of bodies to this problem? Or this procedure for describing of such situation is not valid anymore? If you may let me know some book or some link about that.
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for a simplest example consider a barbell (two equivalent mass points linked by a weightless rod) in the gravity field of a fixed mass point. Consider a planar motion

Actually it is a very hard problem, you can find only partial results in articles, not in textbooks
 
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for a simplest example consider a barbell (two equivalent mass points linked by a weightless rod) in the gravity field of a fixed mass point. Consider a planar motion

Actually it is a very hard problem, you can find only partial results in articles, not in textbooks
So do you mean I should try to compute a case when a barbell rotate around some central point object? And compare with general solution (without a spin)?
What procedure would you suggest? Using Lagrangian and solve Euler-Lagrange equations? Or how to insert "a spin" into general Kepler problem?
 
I suggest that you write down the Lagrange equations and solve them numerically to make sure that it is a chaotic system and it does not have any relation to the Kepler problem. Perhaps some hope could be possible if you introduce a small parameter.
 
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