Can the Order of Events Change in Different Frames of Reference?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the ordering of events in different frames of reference, particularly in the context of special relativity. Participants explore whether an event that is causally linked can appear to occur in a different order from different observers' perspectives.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if event B can occur before event A in another frame of reference, given that A causes B.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of the invariant quantity in special relativity and asks how to define the invariant distance between two events.
  • A third participant explains that if event A causes event B, then B must lie within the future light cone of A, suggesting that B cannot occur before A in any frame of reference.
  • One participant suggests using space-time diagrams to illustrate the relationships between events A and B.
  • A later reply expresses appreciation for the discussion without adding further points.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the order of events can change in different frames of reference, with some arguing that it cannot due to causal relationships, while others raise questions about the implications of special relativity.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about causal relationships and the properties of light cones, which may not be universally agreed upon. The definition of invariant distance and its implications for event ordering remain unresolved.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in the foundations of special relativity, causal relationships in physics, and the implications of different frames of reference may find this discussion relevant.

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Suppose event A causes event B. To one observer, event A comes before event B. Is it possible that in another frame of reference event B could come before event A? If so, how?
 
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GreenLRan said:
Suppose event A causes event B. To one observer, event A comes before event B. Is it possible that in another frame of reference event B could come before event A? If so, how?

What is the special invariant quantity in special relativity?

Given two events, A and B, how does one define an invariant distance between them?

If you can calculate this special distance in one frame, what is its value in any other inertial frame?

What does this tell you about the "ordering" of events?
 
GreenLRan said:
Suppose event A causes event B.
This implies that B is in the interior of, or on the boundary of, the future light cone of A.

GreenLRan said:
To one observer, event A comes before event B.
The only information that this adds is that B isn't on the boundary of the future light cone of A, so it must be in the interior.

GreenLRan said:
Is it possible that in another frame of reference event B could come before event A? If so, how?
No. If B had been outside of the future light cone of A, it would have been a different story. I suggest that you draw space-time diagrams to see why this is so.
 
awsome, thanks guys.
 

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