Can This Method Solve the Modified System of Linear Equations?

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The discussion revolves around solving a modified system of linear equations, specifically exploring methods to find solutions given a unique solution to a related system. Participants examine various approaches and techniques, including vector equations and linear independence, while debating the validity of certain methods.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a method to derive a new equation from a known unique solution of a previous system, questioning its validity.
  • Another participant suggests looking into Cramer's rule as a potential solution method.
  • A request for alternative methods to Cramer's rule is made, indicating restrictions on its use.
  • A participant introduces the concept of a corresponding vector equation and discusses the implications of linear combinations of vectors.
  • Clarification is sought regarding the rearrangement of equations and the implications of linear independence of the vectors involved.
  • Another participant elaborates on the relationship between the vectors and the conditions for linear independence, suggesting a method to solve the equation based on this independence.
  • One participant expresses understanding after further explanation, indicating progress in the discussion.

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Participants express differing views on the methods to solve the modified system, with some advocating for Cramer's rule while others seek alternative approaches. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to apply.

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There are limitations regarding the use of certain methods, such as Cramer's rule, and the discussion reflects varying levels of understanding of linear independence and its implications for solving the equations.

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we have the system a_i1x+a_i2y+a_i3z=b_i i=1,2,3
and we are given that it has a unique solution (1,2,0)
i need to find the set of solutions for the next system:
a_i1x+b_iy+a_i3z=a_i2
what i did is:
we have the solution for the first equation then we have a_i1+2a_i2=b_i
so we put it in the second equation and we have:
a_i1x+(a_i1+2a_i2)y+a_i3z=a_i2
(a_i1x+a_i2y+a_i3z)+(a_i1+a_i2)y=a_i2
b_i+(a_i1+a_i2)y=a_i2
(a_i1+2a_i2)+(a_i1+a_i2)y=a_i2
from here i found the solution, is this method valid?
 
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Hint:
Look up Cramer's rule, and see what you can find out with that.
 
do you know perhaps another method to solve this other than cramer's rule?
cause I am not supposed to use it here.
 
Try to look at the corresponding vector equation: [tex]\vec{a}_{1}x + \vec{a}_{2}y + \vec{a}_{3}z = \vec{b}[/tex].
 
i don't understand, radou can you elaborate?
 
loop quantum gravity said:
i don't understand, radou can you elaborate?

Well, after plugging the solution (x, y, z) = (1, 2, 0) into the vector equation, you find out that the vector b can be written as a linear combination of vectors a1 and a2, right? So, that means that the vector b lies in the same plane as a1 and a2 do. Hence, you know that the vectors a1, a2 and a3 are linearly independent. Now, after plugging in the linear combination a1 + 2a2 = b into the equation a1x + by + a3z = a2, and rearranging, you can use the fact that a1, a2 and a3 are linearly independent to solve the equation.
 
when you mean rearranging, you mean like i did i.e:
a1x+a2y+a3z+(a1+a2)y=a2
but how do i find for (x,y,z) with your approach?
i mean if they are independent then any combination of them, its coeffiencts are zero like this a1x+a2y+a3z=0 then x=y=z=0, but how do i use it here?
 
I meant a1x + (a1+2a2)y+a3z = a2 =>
a1(x+1) + a2(2y-1)+a3z = 0. Now use the fact that a1, a2 and a3 are linearly independent.

Edit: too bad you're not allowed to use Cramer's rule, as Arildno suggested, since this problem seems to be ideal for its application.
 
ok, thanks i understand now.
 

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