Can u-substitution be described as a Jacobian?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of u-substitution in calculus and its potential relationship to Jacobian determinants. Participants explore whether u-substitution can be viewed as a one-dimensional Jacobian determinant, while also engaging in a side conversation about formatting vertical dots in matrices.

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  • Some participants propose that u-substitution can be thought of as the determinant of a 1x1 Jacobian matrix, suggesting a connection between single-variable and multiple-variable calculus.
  • Others express uncertainty about the implications of this perspective, questioning what additional insights it provides.
  • A side discussion emerges regarding how to create vertical dots in matrix notation, with participants sharing LaTeX commands for vertical ellipses and diagonal ellipses.

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Participants generally agree on the consistency between u-substitution and Jacobian determinants, but there is no consensus on the significance of this relationship. The side discussion about matrix formatting is resolved with shared understanding of LaTeX commands.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the definitions of u-substitution and Jacobian determinants, and the relationship between single-variable and multi-variable calculus remains open to interpretation.

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So u-substitution is used to make an effective change of variables in one-dimensional calculus. Jacobian determinants are used to make a change of variables in two or higher-dimensional calculus. Can a u-substitution be thought of as a one-dimensional Jacobian determinant?

And on an entirely unrelated note, does anyone know how to make vertical dots in matrix? I was going to draw out the Jacobian determinant, but I couldn't figure that out.
 
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You can think of it as the determinant of a 1x1 Jacobian matrix if you want. But apart from telling you that single-variable calculus is consistent with multiple-variable calculus, I'm not sure what that buys you.

does anyone know how to make vertical dots in matrix?

\vdots.
 
It's always nice to know that things are consistent between the two areas, though. Thanks!
 
Char. Limit said:
And on an entirely unrelated note, does anyone know how to make vertical dots in matrix? I was going to draw out the Jacobian determinant, but I couldn't figure that out.

What kind of "vertical dots"?? And did you type "matrix" instead of "LaTeX"??
 
micromass said:
What kind of "vertical dots"?? And did you type "matrix" instead of "LaTeX"??

Typo, and, well, ellipses, but vertical, not horizontal. Like this:

[tex]\vdots[/tex]
 
Char. Limit said:
Typo, and, well, ellipses, but vertical, not horizontal. Like this:

[tex]\vdots[/tex]

Did you just answer your own question?? :smile: Yes, vdots is the way to type vertical ellipses. And ddots is the way to type diagonal ellipses.
 
micromass said:
Did you just answer your own question?? :smile: Yes, vdots is the way to type vertical ellipses. And ddots is the way to type diagonal ellipses.

I got vdots from AlephZero above, and ddots from you! Now I can type out n-size matrices!
 
Char. Limit said:
I got vdots from AlephZero above

Oh, how did I miss that??

Also, don't forget hdots which is a nice way to type ...
 

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