Can we differentiate Equation 9 and get Expression 10?

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The discussion revolves around differentiating Equation 9 with respect to time to derive Expression 10. Participants are exploring the relationship between the growth of a variable and its time derivative, particularly in the context of labor productivity growth.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Some participants attempt to apply the Quotient Rule for differentiation but express uncertainty about their simplifications leading to Expression 10. Others question the definition of the variable ##\hat y## and its implications for differentiation. There is also a challenge regarding whether Equation 9 can be differentiated to yield Expression 10, with some participants providing specific examples and calculations to support their views.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing their attempts and questioning the validity of the differentiation process. There are differing opinions on whether the equations can be reconciled, and some participants have provided detailed calculations to illustrate their points. No consensus has been reached, but the exploration of the problem continues.

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There is mention of specific values for parameters in the equations, which may influence the differentiation process. Additionally, the original poster seeks clarification on the definitions and assumptions underlying the equations involved.

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I came over these Equations when I was Reading an article. I tried to replicate the results by differentiating Equation 9 w.r.t time. However I could not do it.
Just to be sure. The growth of a variable is Equal to the time derivative of the same variable? What is most important for me is to know that, that is what they have done.

The Attempt at a Solution



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I tried to use:
Quotient Rule f/g (f' g − g' f )/g2

And I think I did it right, but maybe I could not simplify it to get Expression 10.

I really hope someone can help me with this.
 

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beaf123 said:

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I came over these Equations when I was Reading an article. I tried to replicate the results by differentiating Equation 9 w.r.t time. However I could not do it.
Just to be sure. The growth of a variable is Equal to the time derivative of the same variable? What is most important for me is to know that, that is what they have done.

The Attempt at a Solution



[/B]
I tried to use:
Quotient Rule f/g (f' g − g' f )/g2

And I think I did it right, but maybe I could not simplify it to get Expression 10.

I really hope someone can help me with this.
How is ##\hat y## defined? You seem to be assuming that ##\hat y = \frac{dy}{dt}##, which might not be what is meant by that symbol.
 
It is defined as "labor Productivity Growth", but it is not defined any further. Are you (or someone else) able to see if we can differentiate (9) and get (10)?
 
beaf123 said:
It is defined as "labor Productivity Growth", but it is not defined any further. Are you (or someone else) able to see if we can differentiate (9) and get (10)?
I don't see how (9) could possibly be differentiated (with respect to t) to yield (10). Equation (10) would have to have a factor of ##(a + b\gamma)##, which isn't present. Besides this, I differentiated (9) w.r.t. t, and didn't get anything remotely close to (10).
 
beaf123 said:
It is defined as "labor Productivity Growth", but it is not defined any further. Are you (or someone else) able to see if we can differentiate (9) and get (10)?

Nobody can get it because it is false. For example, if ##a = 1.5, b = 2, \gamma = 2.5, r = .1, s = 3## we have
$$y = \frac{6.5 \exp(.1\,t)}{1+2.5 \exp(-2.9 \,t)} $$
and
$$Dy_1 \equiv \frac{dy}{dt} = \frac{6.5(7.5 \exp(-2.8\,t)+0.1 \exp(0.1\,t)}{(1+2.5 \exp(-2.9\,t))^2} $$
The expression you wrote is
$$Dy_2 = \frac{.1+7.5 \exp(-2.9\,t)}{1+2.5 \exp(-2.9\,t)}$$
These last two are definitely unequal; here is a plot:
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The top curve is ##Dy_1## (the true derivative), while the bottom curve is ##Dy_2## (the false derivative in equation (10)). I did all the algebra and the plot using the computer algebra package Maple, so there should not be any errors. (However, I copied your expressions from hard-to-read and slightly out-of-focus images, so maybe there is something wrong. You should avoid posting images, and just type out everything, the way most helpers do.)
 
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