Can we ever construct a perfect circle? (Curiousity)

In summary, the conversation discusses the limitations of constructing a perfect circle and the use of infinite sums and Zeno's paradox to explain this concept. The participants also mention the use of a compass and infinite ruler to construct polygons, with the conclusion that it depends on the allowed operations.
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icystrike
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As stated abv.

Since [tex]\pi[/tex] can only be established by infinite sum and according to zeno's paradox we can never break a finite length into infinite pieces (loosely speaking)
 
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Depends on your definition of perfect. It's like getting from Point A to Point B. That paradox states we can't get from A to B because we always have to cover half the remaining distance. That's not a good excuse to tell your boss why you were late, I've found out.
 
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Based on the title of your thread, no, we can't construct a perfect circle. The circle of geometry is an idealized object, every point of which is the same distance away from the center. The curve that makes up the circle is infinitessimally thin, so there's no way we can draw it.

icystrike said:
Since [itex]\pi[/itex] can only be established by infinite sum and according to zeno's paradox we can never break a finite length into infinite pieces (loosely speaking)[/itex]
I don't understand what this has to do with your question.
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Like everyone else said, it depends what you're "allowed" to do. A common construction people use is an "infinite" ruler and a compass. Basically, you start with two arbitrary points in R-2 space, say (0,0) and (1,0). The only operations you're allowed to make are circles with the center at one point and the circumference on another point, and lines through two points. Any intersections you get are considered new points.

Knowing this, it's actually been proven that you cannot construct a 7-gon with with this construction. However, it has been proven that you can construct a 17-gon! (The construction is messy as hell) But to answer your question, it just depends what operations you're allowed to make.
 

1. Can we ever construct a perfect circle?

No, it is impossible to construct a perfect circle in the physical world. A perfect circle has infinite points and a perfect curve, which cannot be achieved in reality.

2. Why is it impossible to construct a perfect circle?

It is impossible because any physical object used to construct a circle, such as a compass or a protractor, has a finite size and measurement. Therefore, the resulting circle will always have imperfections.

3. Can technology help us construct a perfect circle?

While technology has advanced significantly, it still cannot produce a perfect circle. Even with advanced tools and precision, there will always be small imperfections due to the limitations of materials and measurements.

4. Are there any theoretical ways to construct a perfect circle?

There are theoretical ways to approximate a perfect circle, such as using mathematical equations or computer algorithms. However, these are still not considered perfect circles as they are only representations in the digital or theoretical world.

5. Why do we still strive to construct a perfect circle?

The idea of perfection has always intrigued humans, and constructing a perfect circle is seen as a challenge and a way to push the limits of our abilities. It also has practical applications in fields such as mathematics, engineering, and art.

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