Can women really get men to do anything they want?

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The discussion revolves around the assertion that women can manipulate men to get what they want, with various participants sharing their views on the dynamics of gender interactions. Many agree that while some women may use manipulation, it is not a universal trait and exists among both genders. The conversation highlights that manipulative behavior often comes at a personal cost, such as sacrificing dignity or self-esteem. Participants also explore the societal expectations surrounding gender roles, noting that women often receive more offers of help or generosity from men, which can lead to assumptions about entitlement. However, some women express discomfort with this dynamic, preferring to be treated equally without special treatment based on gender. The dialogue touches on the complexities of social interactions, particularly in dating scenarios, where expectations about who should pay for drinks or meals can create tension. Overall, the thread emphasizes that while manipulation can occur, it is not a defining characteristic of women, and generalizations about gender behavior can be misleading.
  • #31
Depends. All I know is that at my dorm, only chicks get free beer. We call them beer sluts.

My sweet mates have a sign in there room that says "1 beer equals 2 tits." The worst part about that is that it sometimes works. If it worked the other way around I'd be wasted 24/7.
 
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  • #32
Entropy said:
"1 beer equals 2 tits."
What does this mean? They'll flash their bosom for a beer?
 
  • #33
Hell No.

Some women are good at using, sex and flirtation to get what that want...And that work's 75% of the time... even on me. But other times, you can sense what their trying to do, and i just avoid em.

The question is, can men, really get women to do anything they want?
 
  • #34
that work's 75% of the time... even on me.
:smile: :smile: NO way! No body could manipulate you!

i just avoid em.
You are a male, and trying to avoid sex, flirtation, and bosom flashing? Are you homosexual?
 
  • #35
Chronos said:
Fascinating! Are we talking about taking sides? I've probably [er definitely] bought more drinks for men than women in my lifetime [I'm over 30 and have never progressed beyond a back slap with another man]. Must be a lizard brain thing. You buy me a drink, I buy you one. I'm not saying I would turn down truffles, but . . . you better be cute.
The reason the gals and I decided to send them frou-frou drinks in the first place is because the boys were so pretty we decided they might be the type of guys who would like fancy drinks with umbrellas. But it was a kind of one-up-manship which manifested when they decided to return in kind with double the drinks to our table. Then, the game was on. They were he-men after all! uh oh. :bugeye: And they were not to be outdone. Back at our hotel, two of the girls stayed up and partied with them while the other two of us locked and barricaded the bedroom door to get some sleep -- despite their persistent knocking and howls!:eek:
 
  • #36
MK said:
Also, money increases your sex appeal. I think subconsciously, you're going to think "hey, this guy's is rich enough to give an offering right off the bat."
When a man has a nice job, a nice house/condo, a nice car, nice clothes, and plenty of money it would generally indicate that he is a successful, responsible, and mature adult. That isn't necessarily the case with every man that has money but it's probably a good bet and I wouldn't really blame women for being attracted to a man with such qualities.
 
  • #37
Being financially secure is great. Being emotionally secure is good. Being an honest and decent human being is . . . priceless.
 
  • #38
Zygotic Embryo said:
The question is, can men, really get women to do anything they want?



Hell yes. The easiest way to get you want from a woman is by letting them think that they are in control. E.g.

Him- "Yes honey you were absolutely right and i was wrong. I am sorry. Now can I borrow $50 to go out with my friends?"

Girl-:::Sigh::: "Alright, here you go." :biggrin:


Works everytime.
 
  • #39
What does this mean? They'll flash their bosom for a beer?

Yep. I was there one time when it worked too! Man, the girls in my dorm are sleezy.
 
  • #40


I wrote an article simliar to this topic on my blog. It is in regards to women I call Pop Stars.
 
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  • #41


lethalvb01 said:
I wrote an article simliar to this topic on my blog. It is in regards to women I call Pop Stars.
Since we can't control the information in your offsite blog, please feel free to post your thoughts here as long as they meet our guidelines.
 
  • #42


Since I can't put the link here. I will copy the post.

This post is dedicated to all you so called “hotties” out there.

A friend and I came up with this new term to categorize certain women. They are called “Pop Stars”. What is a Pop Star? A Pop Star is an attractive women that acts like your best friend when she needs something and as soon as she gets it, you no longer exist.

I work in the Information Technology industry and provide support for end users at a corporation in the fashion industry. There are plenty of pop stars that work there. These women will literally treat you like their best friend and give you flirty looks and smiles. Then once you resolved their issue they will ignore you. I have went out of my way to help some of these girls and then 15 minutes later walk by them in the hall way and they didn’t even look at me.

I find this slightly offensive. It makes me feel used and less willing to help people in the future. Why do women act this way? Is it because they know they can get away with it? Maybe. Think about this way, when a women is attractive all her life she has been dealing with men making advances at her since she was young. Over time she will learn that by using her looks she can get what she wants. After years of this tactic I am sure it becomes the norm in her life.

A women knows within seconds if a man is attracted to her and she can manipulate him easily with her sexuality. It is just like having ANYTHING that someone else wants, you can manipulate that person. Women simply have to act like they are attracted to the man and he will pretty much do what she wants. Then once she gets what she wants there is no need to pretend anymore.

So what does this say about the woman who acts this way? Is she shallow, flaky, rude, materialistic and manipulative? Or is she intelligent, competitive and aggressive. What do you think?
 
  • #43


Either they can
1) ignore you for all the time because they don't know you
or
2) they can act nice to you ( a stranger ) for their whole life
or
3) they can act nice for 15 minutes only

#3 seems more rational thing to do.

I know I should act nicer towards people who are helping me and I cannot act same for all people because more towards "x" mean less towards "y"...
 
  • #44


lethalvb01 said:
Since I can't put the link here. I will copy the post.

This post is dedicated to all you so called “hotties” out there.

A friend and I came up with this new term to categorize certain women. They are called “Pop Stars”. What is a Pop Star? A Pop Star is an attractive women that acts like your best friend when she needs something and as soon as she gets it, you no longer exist.

I work in the Information Technology industry and provide support for end users at a corporation in the fashion industry. There are plenty of pop stars that work there. These women will literally treat you like their best friend and give you flirty looks and smiles. Then once you resolved their issue they will ignore you. I have went out of my way to help some of these girls and then 15 minutes later walk by them in the hall way and they didn’t even look at me.

I find this slightly offensive. It makes me feel used and less willing to help people in the future. Why do women act this way? Is it because they know they can get away with it? Maybe. Think about this way, when a women is attractive all her life she has been dealing with men making advances at her since she was young. Over time she will learn that by using her looks she can get what she wants. After years of this tactic I am sure it becomes the norm in her life.

A women knows within seconds if a man is attracted to her and she can manipulate him easily with her sexuality. It is just like having ANYTHING that someone else wants, you can manipulate that person. Women simply have to act like they are attracted to the man and he will pretty much do what she wants. Then once she gets what she wants there is no need to pretend anymore.

So what does this say about the woman who acts this way? Is she shallow, flaky, rude, materialistic and manipulative? Or is she intelligent, competitive and aggressive. What do you think?

So, what's your solution? You just let them push you around?
 
  • #45


Can women really "get men to do anything" they want?

If this were true, the toilet seats would always be down, except for those brief moments that men were allowed to use it.
 
  • #46


LowlyPion said:
Can women really "get men to do anything" they want?

If this were true, the toilet seats would always be down, except for those brief moments that men were allowed to use it.
That's only true after marriage. Presumably if a woman is going to get by on her wiles, she's definitely going to delay her marriage until her beauty begins to diminishs (or if she gets tired of it).
 
  • #47


simple answer to this gentlemen -

if man X rarely gets any p*ssy he is more inclined to do more for the woman Y in fear he's going to be doing solo runs behind a lock door with a box of tissues near by. however, if X is confident it can attract other Y's, the less X will do for Y. obviously, this is all a fat generalisation but it makes sense.
 
  • #48


lethalvb01 said:
Since I can't put the link here. I will copy the post.

... These women will literally treat you like their best friend and give you flirty looks and smiles. Then once you resolved their issue they will ignore you. I have went out of my way to help some of these girls and then 15 minutes later walk by them in the hall way and they didn’t even look at me...

You're overly biased. Next time observe how men look, when they want a favor from you.
 
  • #49


lethalvb01 said:
I work in the Information Technology industry and provide support for end users at a corporation in the fashion industry. There are plenty of pop stars that work there. These women will literally treat you like their best friend and give you flirty looks and smiles. Then once you resolved their issue they will ignore you. I have went out of my way to help some of these girls and then 15 minutes later walk by them in the hall way and they didn’t even look at me.

I find this slightly offensive.
Er... why? Maybe you're just not explaining it well, but that sounds like perfectly reasonable human behavior. They're being friendly when they interact with you and appreciative of your help. That's just common courtesy -- it doesn't make them your friend. Would you prefer that they be rude and obnoxious whenever they seek your help??
 
  • #50


Andre said:
You're overly biased. Next time observe how men look, when they want a favor from you.
Hurkyl said:
Er... why? Maybe you're just not explaining it well, but that sounds like perfectly reasonable human behavior. They're being friendly when they interact with you and appreciative of your help. That's just common courtesy -- it doesn't make them your friend. Would you prefer that they be rude and obnoxious whenever they seek your help??

I work as a security guard and have experienced something very similar to what I believe he is explaining. Often when I deal with females they become very flirtatious. They smile alot, sometimes they get touchy feely, they invite me to come in and have a drink with them, some even go as far as to tell me I'm cute and make overt passes at me. Once a woman even tried to get me to feel her 'new breasts'. But it almost always ends that when they realize I am only going to act professionally and they will not be getting anything out of me they treat me like an annoyance. They roll their eyes, pay me little to no attention, and shut the door in my face before I am even done speaking.

Males sometimes act similarly. They will try to invite me in for a beer or to 'watch the game' or what have you. Sometimes they even offer up their female friends. When they realize it isn't going to change anything they often become jerks, get argumentative, and sometimes even turn violent. The difference is that men most often are not extending me anything that they probably would not already extend to me anyway, mere camaraderie. The females on the other hand are insinuating a far more intimate relationship than they have any intention of giving. And that's the insult.
 
  • #51


TheStatutoryApe said:
I work as a security guard and have experienced something very similar to what I believe he is explaining. Often when I deal with females they become very flirtatious. They smile alot, sometimes they get touchy feely, they invite me to come in and have a drink with them, some even go as far as to tell me I'm cute and make overt passes at me. Once a woman even tried to get me to feel her 'new breasts'. But it almost always ends that when they realize I am only going to act professionally and they will not be getting anything out of me they treat me like an annoyance. They roll their eyes, pay me little to no attention, and shut the door in my face before I am even done speaking.

Males sometimes act similarly. They will try to invite me in for a beer or to 'watch the game' or what have you. Sometimes they even offer up their female friends. When they realize it isn't going to change anything they often become jerks, get argumentative, and sometimes even turn violent. The difference is that men most often are not extending me anything that they probably would not already extend to me anyway, mere camaraderie. The females on the other hand are insinuating a far more intimate relationship than they have any intention of giving. And that's the insult.

Some of the commentary about women here is, um, I want to say offensive but will go with discouraging. Do some of you folks not consider your own behaviour? TheStatutoryApe, did it ever occur to you that you're rejecting people with your behaviour? Yes, you're behaving professionally and that's likely the best response. But did you stop and look at it from other people's side? Maybe they don't want anything in particular from you, and you point-blank reject them and their offers. An awful, awful lot of people don't take rejection well and respond with hostility. I'm not saying that's right, but it's a fairly normal, consistent reaction.

The other fellow who's upset because women are overtly friendly when he's helping out, as other people pointed out, isn't that preferable? If you're helping someone, isn't a good thing that they're being nice and pleasant with you? I have people who I'm doing my utmost to help out be so astoundingly rude and miserable with me that I'd much, much prefer to tell them to go hang themselves than continue trying to resolve their problem. Do you really expect that you've just made a new best friend? That their intention was to sleep with you because you gave them tech support? Maybe, just maybe, you're misunderstanding or misreading their signals.

Defennder said:
That's only true after marriage. Presumably if a woman is going to get by on her wiles, she's definitely going to delay her marriage until her beauty begins to diminishs (or if she gets tired of it).

That, that was just plain disheartening. It's a pity you think so poorly of women. I wonder what happens when your appearances "diminish".
 
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  • #52


I hate to say it, but being a female, I can tell you that "we" can get most men to do what we want. Now I'm not saying men are this way, but just females in general can get our way, but also being in a male dominated profession, we know how to sway it to our likings :biggrin: Now I don't think it is right for a woman to use beauty or slyness, but just use your witt.
 
  • #53


GeorginaS said:
Some of the commentary about women here is, um, I want to say offensive but will go with discouraging. Do some of you folks not consider your own behaviour? TheStatutoryApe, did it ever occur to you that you're rejecting people with your behaviour? Yes, you're behaving professionally and that's likely the best response. But did you stop and look at it from other people's side? Maybe they don't want anything in particular from you, and you point-blank reject them and their offers. An awful, awful lot of people don't take rejection well and respond with hostility. I'm not saying that's right, but it's a fairly normal, consistent reaction.

Yes!

I think guys who feel like this about girls all the time generally have low self-esteem and so on. In reality, lots of girls are attracted to security guards as weird as it sounds. So, technically they might be interested him at a certain level, but then he flat out rejects them.

Imagine getting rejected because the other person thinks your stupid and you just play games. It's VERY likely your response will be hostile.

Think about it. When I was in Quebec, just my accent can get me in bed with a girl. Or even, being a TA can get you in bed with a girl (NOT one from your class). Or being a SIMPLE volunteer at school (they actually make you sign a contract to not sleep with a girl the first week of school, of course my friend the VP did not make me sign it)!

It's not about sleeping with girls and such. I just want to say that there is a likelihood that attraction exists and by having such a negative view on things basically prevents ANYTHING from going further.
 
  • #54


mcknia07 said:
I hate to say it, but being a female, I can tell you that "we" can get most men to do what we want. Now I'm not saying men are this way, but just females in general can get our way, but also being in a male dominated profession, we know how to sway it to our likings :biggrin: Now I don't think it is right for a woman to use beauty or slyness, but just use your witt.

Definitely not true. It only seems true because the quality of guys you're after. And having control is probably something you're subconsciously attracted too.

I notice many times that very attractive girls only date guys that have no balls. That simple.
 
  • #55


JasonRox said:
Definitely not true. It only seems true because the quality of guys you're after. And having control is probably something you're subconsciously attracted too.

I notice many times that very attractive girls only date guys that have no balls. That simple.

Well, I defantly don't think think that the girl should wear the pants in the relationship. Just how I am, but anyhow, that's so not the case. Well in the past I have dated jerks, but that's not because I'm pretty, because I'm not. SO, it must just be girls, we have to date a few frogs to get to the prince, as my mom puts it. :biggrin: I would like a man to be in control, but not controling.

I know a lot of very pretty women that date guys with balls, so you can't say all pretty girls date ball less guys.
 
  • #56


mcknia07 said:
Well, I defantly don't think think that the girl should wear the pants in the relationship. Just how I am, but anyhow, that's so not the case. Well in the past I have dated jerks, but that's not because I'm pretty, because I'm not. SO, it must just be girls, we have to date a few frogs to get to the prince, as my mom puts it. :biggrin: I would like a man to be in control, but not controling.

I know a lot of very pretty women that date guys with balls, so you can't say all pretty girls date ball less guys.

I'm just saying what's generally true. And I do know that girls can't get anything they want from me, and I mean from a simple buy me a soda to having sex.

I do what I want to do.

Also, the idea of wearing the pants of a relationship is also the dumbest concepts relationships nowadays have. It should be two people who have their own lives and as well as part of it is in a relationship with another. No one person should wear pants, or even "share" control. Any sense of control onto another is horrible and demeaning.

Sometimes girls say I have control of relationships, but I instantly correct them. They think I have control because they DON'T have control. So, because they don't have control, then they associate that with ME having control. Well, I don't control anything. I just do what I want and that's it. If she joins me, or I join her, it's all an individual choice... nothing more.
 
  • #57


Well, ok yeah that's true too. But, guys have their ways to get girls to do things too. I think it all depends on how stong a male/female is, and I think it's wrong to sway someone into doing something, it should all be up to the 2 individuals and should equally agree on what is being said/done.
 
  • #58


Sorry, I've been busy with chores so I haven't had time to respond to this. Women cannot get men to do anything they want. OK got to run now. More chores to do.
 
  • #59


Seems that this thread is heading for a happy ending.
 
  • #60


I think from the title of the thread 'Can women really "get men to do anything" they want?' implies 'a control'. Some women can get almost anything they want---just as some men (almost) can.

Depending on a person's attributes, needs, desires, abilities, etc. along with what they want (and want to do) may help that person toward some area/level (and whether they want to be in control, or not). A woman/man that has 'beauty' may use that 'beauty' to try to control her environment. The same may be said of a man/woman that has 'money' or 'power'. A lot of the 'bad' connotations that go along with any attribute depends on what level of 'control' that the person with those 'attributes' uses the 'control'. A dictator and a leader both may have 'control', but it just depends on how they use the 'power(s)' that they have--if the quality is highly desired, that person may choose to learn how to 'dangle the carrot' more effectively to get even more of the desired 'effect' from those who want the 'carrot'. So, I think, it comes down to how much the person 'wants', and whether the other person 'wants' (and has the 'power' to somehow 'control' ) what the other person 'wants' (only if they choose to go in that direction/ whether they do it knowingly or as some sort of instinct reaction that they how or why they're doing it).

A good relation to me works on a kind of 'supply and demand' (control/giving up control) of along a Bell shaped curve of knowing what the 'other' person wants (from both sides)-----a teeter totter effect of many facets.
 
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