Can you cancel a function out of a differential equation?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of canceling a function out of a differential equation, specifically in the context of the momentum operator in quantum mechanics. Participants explore the implications of mathematical operations on functions and derivatives, questioning the validity of certain steps in the derivation presented in a Wikipedia article.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a function can be canceled out from partial derivatives, referencing a specific transition in a Wikipedia article.
  • Another participant challenges the notion of "cancellation," suggesting that the operation implies a suggestion rather than a definitive conclusion, indicating that the transition between equations is more complex than presented.
  • A participant emphasizes that the momentum operator is defined differently and asks for clarification on its definition.
  • One reply points out that operators and equations belong to different algebraic structures, arguing that canceling a function from a derivative is generally not permissible, although it may appear to work in the context of quantum mechanics due to its linearity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of canceling functions in differential equations, with no consensus reached on the interpretation of the mathematical operations involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the operations discussed may involve assumptions about linearity in quantum mechanics and the nature of operators versus values in algebra.

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Why do you think a function was "canceled" out?
 
Are you referring to the place where they say that the partial derive of psi gives p psi, that it suggests the partial derivative is the momentum operator?

They did not "cancel out" the function. The operation there was not "it therefor follows" but rather "it suggests." Getting from the one equation to the other has more support than they have given there. But it's quite a bit more complicated than the typical wiki article.
 
DEvens said:
Are you referring to the place where they say that the partial derive of psi gives p psi, that it suggests the partial derivative is the momentum operator?

They did not "cancel out" the function. The operation there was not "it therefor follows" but rather "it suggests." Getting from the one equation to the other has more support than they have given there. But it's quite a bit more complicated than the typical wiki article.
Then how is the momentum operator defined?
 
An operator isn't part of the same kind of algebra as equations. In line 4, the expressions on each side of the equals are both values. In line 5, the expressions represent operations (or functions on functions), not values. It's kind of an abuse of notation. But in generalized algebra, you can make anything you want into an expression, as long as you know what you are doing.

In general, you can't cancel a function out of a derivative like that. It sort of works in this case because quantum mechanics is linear, which is something that came out of experiment and can't be derived mathematically.
 

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