Can you change the wavelength of ligh without changing it's direction?

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of changing the wavelength of light without altering its direction, exploring concepts related to electromagnetic waves, energy levels, and detection methods. Participants delve into theoretical and practical aspects, including the behavior of light in different media and the implications of wavelength on energy transfer and detection.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question what is meant by "amplifying its wavelength" and discuss how light behaves when passing through different media, noting that while wavelength may change, frequency remains constant.
  • There is mention of the Doppler effect, where the wavelength changes based on the relative motion between the observer and the light source, though this does not alter the wavelength if the observer's frame of reference remains unchanged.
  • Participants discuss methods of detecting low-energy photons, suggesting that even if they cannot knock out electrons, they can still create electric currents in conductors or raise the temperature of absorbing materials.
  • Some express confusion about how low-energy photons can lose energy to electrons without being absorbed, indicating a need for clarification on energy transfer mechanisms.
  • There is a mention of wavelength shifters, with some participants noting that these typically only lower the wavelength and may not address the original question of amplification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the possibility of changing the wavelength of light without altering its direction. Multiple competing views and interpretations of concepts are present, particularly regarding the detection of low-energy photons and the mechanisms of energy transfer.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific definitions and contexts, such as the nature of wavelength shifters and the conditions under which electromagnetic waves interact with matter. The discussion also highlights unresolved questions about the behavior of low-energy photons and their detection methods.

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So let's say we have a red light wave, can you have something particularly simple amplify it's wavelength, I know you could take a picture of it and send it out again the opposite side, but that's far sought. Oh and if an electromagnetic wave is absorbed by an atom, how exactly do you tell the kinetic energy(thus the wavelength) of the electron emitted?

And if long wavelength has too little energy too little energy to knock out electrons how are they detected? and if they can't even knock out electrons how do they ever cease to exist. I'm talking about low energy photons light radio waves or infrared waves, how exactly do these antennas work? is there no efficient way to catch or create very long wavelength light waves?

Oh and since you're here, the new pf layout looks pretty cheap, and the ads on top.. oh well maybe I'm just getting used to it.
 
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Jarfi said:
So let's say we have a red light wave, can you have something particularly simple amplify it's wavelength, I know you could take a picture of it and send it out again the opposite side, but that's far sought. Oh and if an electromagnetic wave is absorbed by an atom, how exactly do you tell the kinetic energy(thus the wavelength) of the electron emitted?
Move towards the source and the wavelength will shorten; move away and it will increase. Although the speed of light in vacuum is always c no matter how you and the source move, the wavelength and the frequency will depend on the relative motion between you and the source.

And if long wavelength has too little energy to knock out electrons how are they detected? and if they can't even knock out electrons how do they ever cease to exist. I'm talking about low energy photons light radio waves or infrared waves, how exactly do these antennas work? is there no efficient way to catch or create very long wavelength light waves?

There are many other ways of detecting electromagnetic radiation than looking for electrons being knocked out of atoms. For example:
- Even very very long-wavelength radio waves will create electric currents in a conductor (where there are plenty of free electrons floating await waiting for an electromagnetic wave to move them around).
- Absorption of infrared will slightly raise the temperature of the absorbing object, and this effect can be measured.

There are plenty of others ways as well; some googling will likely find them for you.
 
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What do you mean with "amplify its wavelength"?
If it passes a medium with a different refractive index, its wavelength will be different inside, but the frequency (and color) stays the same. If it hits a moving or oscillating object, there can be a slight frequency shift. If you want to change the color of light, you need something like wavelength shifters.

Oh and if an electromagnetic wave is absorbed by an atom, how exactly do you tell the kinetic energy(thus the wavelength) of the electron emitted?
Depends on the setup. Measure its speed, measure how far it can go against an electric field, ...
And if long wavelength has too little energy too little energy to knock out electrons how are they detected?
Photoelectric effect? If no electrons are there, which electrons do you want to detect?
and if they can't even knock out electrons how do they ever cease to exist.
They can still give their energy to the electrons, which remain in the material.
is there no efficient way to catch or create very long wavelength light waves?
Antennas are an efficient way to catch them.
 
It says the wavelength shifter only lowers the wavelength, that's not quite enough.

The photoelectric effect? I was meaning wavelengths too low of energy that to happened, like in very low energy light won't affect the electrons since they never have the energy to knock them out.

They can lose energy to electrons without being absorbed? that's something I had not learned how happens, but it's commons sense in a way.
 
Nugatory said:
Move towards the source and the wavelength will shorten; move away and it will increase. Although the speed of light in vacuum is always c no matter how you and the source move, the wavelength and the frequency will depend on the relative motion between you and the source.

However true, it's not something that will change the wavelength if my frame of reference stays the same relative to the frame of the light emitted.
 
Jarfi said:
It says the wavelength shifter only lowers the wavelength, that's not quite enough.
If you are looking for something specific, please tell us what. It is annoying to guess what you are looking for.

The photoelectric effect? I was meaning wavelengths too low of energy that to happened, like in very low energy light won't affect the electrons since they never have the energy to knock them out.
As I said, "knocking them out" is not the only option. Actually, that is a very special interaction.

They can lose energy to electrons without being absorbed?
While this is true, it is completely unrelated to my previous post. They can get absorbed by the electrons, which stay in the material afterwards.
 

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