Can you explain GR without math?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the possibility of explaining the main ideas of General Relativity (GR) without complex mathematics. Participants explore concepts such as the relationship between the Friedmann-Lemaître-Robertson-Walker (FLRW) model and GR, the distinction between spacetime and the universe, and the implications of mass and energy on spacetime curvature.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that while GR can be described in words, these descriptions often simplify the underlying mathematics.
  • There is a discussion about the FLRW model being a solution to GR that describes the universe as an isotropic expanding fluid.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the definitions of spacetime and the universe, with some suggesting that spacetime is curved while the universe can be flat.
  • One participant raises questions about the relationship between mass, energy, and spacetime curvature, noting that both mass and energy contribute to curvature, but the proportions are not easily defined without math.
  • There is a discussion about the maximum quantity of mass allowed in the universe, with references to neutrinos and their mass-energy limits, though the reasoning behind these limits remains unclear.
  • Participants inquire about the significance of the Einstein equations and the role of various tensors, including the Ricci Tensor and the Stress Energy Tensor, in describing curvature and energy-momentum in spacetime.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the physical significance of constants like 8π and the conditions under which GR reproduces Newtonian gravity.
  • There are comments on the challenges of discussing GR without involving mathematical concepts, highlighting the complexity of the subject.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the ability to explain GR without math, with some asserting that a complete understanding requires mathematical knowledge. There are multiple competing views on the definitions and implications of spacetime and the universe, as well as the role of mass and energy in curvature.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion involves complex concepts that may not be fully conveyed without mathematics, and there are unresolved questions regarding the implications of mass-energy limits and the significance of certain constants in the equations of GR.

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alba said:
how do you manage T? can you help me understand how it works showing how you apply it to Earth's gravitational field = 980 cm/s^2?

This is going beyond what can usefully be addressed in a PF thread. You need to consult a GR textbook. (Even before you do that, you probably need a good grounding in Newtonian physics and Newtonian gravity.)

This thread has gone as far as it can usefully go. Thread closed.
 
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